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The writings of Watchman Nee and probably of many others of the spiritual giants of our past however, may be far from well known today, so some introduction is in order. Some of the information below which had faded from my memory was gleaned from Wikipedia which in this case seems to be reasonably accurate.

Early days

Watchman Nee (in Chinese Ni Tuo-Sheng 倪柝声) was born in Fuzhou, Fujian Province, China on November 4, 1903. He was a third-generation believer, his grandfather having been ordained in Fuzhou as an Anglican minister by the Church Missionary Society. Watchman was the third of nine siblings. Though his mother brought up all her children with the instruction of piety, Watchman by his own confession only came to faith in the Lord Jesus at the age of 17. A lady evangelist called Dora Yu had come to the Methodist church his mother attended, the “Church of Heavenly Peace” and was holding 10 days of meetings. It was 1920.

One evening his mother returned from the meeting, sat her son down and gave him her heartfelt apology for a previous incident of unjust punishment. This kind of action is almost unthinkable within normal Chinese culture, an elder apologising to a younger person, especially a parent to her own offspring. Watchman was so deeply impressed he resolved he must find out at the next meeting what had brought about this new humility in his mother.

After the meeting, he returned home and this is his testimony: --

“On the evening of 28th April, 1920, I was alone in my room, struggling to decide whether or not to believe in the Lord. At first I was reluctant but as I tried to pray I saw the magnitude of my sins and the reality and efficacy of Jesus as the Savior. It seemed I could see the Lord's hands stretched out on the cross, welcoming me, and the Lord was saying, "I am waiting here to receive you." Realizing the effectiveness of Christ's blood in cleansing my sins and being overwhelmed by such love, I accepted Him there. Previously I had laughed at people who had accepted Jesus, but that evening the experience became real for me and I wept and confessed my sins, seeking the Lord's forgiveness. As I made my first prayer I knew joy and peace such as I had never known before. Light seemed to flood the room and I said to the Lord, "Oh, Lord, you have indeed been gracious to me."

Watchman was at that time still a student, within the middle school section of the prestigious Trinity College of Fuzhou. Much of the tuition of the school was in English. He was a very gifted student, with very high grades. He began to speak to his classmates of the Lord. Here again from his “Testimony”: --

“Immediately I started putting right the matters that were hindering my effectiveness, and also made a list of seventy friends to pray for daily. Some days I would pray for them every hour, even in class. When the opportunity came I would try to persuade them to believe in the Lord Jesus... With the Lord's grace I continued to pray daily, and after several months all but one of the seventy persons were saved”.

— Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee's Testimony.

Watchman aspired to be a worker for the Lord, and attended Dora Yu's Bible Institute in Shanghai, even while still a high school student. He was unable to keep up with the curriculum however and was eventually expelled for sleeping late and other breaches of discipline. These failures humbled him to seek help, and he was thus brought into touch with a British missionary living in Fuzhou, Margaret E. Barber. She became his teacher and mentor. He would visit her on a weekly basis to receive spiritual help. Miss Barber was a remarkable missionary in not being part of any society, not making any appeals for support, and spending much time in meditation on the scriptures, intercession and prayer without involvement in much “Christian activity”. Her faith, trust and also her gracious responses to those who criticised her for not being more “active” without doubt put a profound stamp into the young man’s life.

She had taken Watchman and several other young men under her wing to disciple them. He said of her life “I shall always remember Miss Barber as a “Christian living in the light”. She was very strict with him in various matters, especially “looking first at the beam in your own eye” before speaking of others. On her death in 1930, she left all of her belongings to him. He wrote:

“We feel most sorrowful concerning the news of the passing away of Miss Barber in Lo-Hsing Pagoda, Fujian. She was one who was very deep in the Lord, and in my opinion, the kind of fellowship she had with the Lord and the kind of faithfulness she expressed to the Lord are rarely found on this earth”.

She had written many hymns and poems. Here is one: --

If the path I travel

Lead me to the cross,

If the way Thou choosest

Lead to pain and loss,

Let the compensation

Daily, hourly, be

Shadowless communion,

Blessed Lord, with Thee.

Miss Barber had originally been an Anglican missionary with the CMS, resigning from the mission when she came into an understanding of believer’s baptism and “every believer a minister”.

She introduced her young men to the works of Robert Govett, D.M. Panton, T. Austin-Sparks and Jesse Penn-Lewis, who were all writing on the nature of the church as a mutually interdependent body with many members and on “the life of the overcomer”. This led to Watchman acquiring works by J.N.Darby and many of the “Brethren” classics, C.H.Mackintosh, William Kelly, J.G. Bellett. He was by all accounts a phenomenal reader and accumulated in his library over 3000 titles on church history, Bible commentary and the spiritual life. In the early days of his ministry, he is said to have spent one-third of his income on personal needs, one-third to assist others, and the remaining third on spiritual books.

His understanding of the nature of the church led him into contact with different strands of the “Brethren” movement in USA and Britain and he made visits to USA, UK and Europe in 1932 and 1933. In the group sometimes labelled the “Exclusives” led by James Taylor he was initially well received, but they rejected him when they found he had broken bread with T. Austin-Sparks of “Honour Oak Fellowship” and indeed with some missionaries of “the denominations” in China.

There is an anecdote of Watchman sitting listening to a long discourse on doctrinal matters among the learned brethren going into tremendous detail, when he lost patience with them and exclaimed “Dear brothers, can any of you cast out demons in Jesus’ name?!”

As a young man (30??)

Marriage

Watchman was severely tested in his love for Charity Chang, a young woman he had known from a childhood years. She ridiculed his faith when he was converted. There was a long struggle -- “If you let me marry that girl, I will go to Tibet!” he had said. It seems the Lord was not at all interested in his volunteering to go to Tibet with the gospel; and at last he surrendered her into the hands of the Lord, and gave himself to the work that had opened up to him.

Ten years later, however, after university graduation, Charity turned to the Lord. She began attending church meetings in Shanghai in 1934, and in the same year they were married.

In those days Watchman was frequently ill, and Charity cared for him. Later in prison she was the only visitor he was permitted during his imprisonment. They had no children. Charity suffered one miscarriage.

(Watchman and Charity at their wedding in Hangzhou in 1934)

Ministry

(From Wikipedia) In 1936, before a group of fellow workers, Watchman Nee outlined the commission of his ministry:

“From the time I was bedridden by illness until the time I was healed by God, I was being shown more clearly the kind of work God wanted me to do: --

• Literary Work: After my illness, God made it known to me that the primary purpose of His imparting messages to me was not for explaining the Scripture, nor for preaching the ordinary Gospel, nor for prophesying, but for laying stress on the living word of life (as per John 5:39-40)... All that I have written has one aim, which is that the reader will, in the new creation, give himself wholly to God and become a useful person in His hands. Now I wholeheartedly commit my writings, my readers and myself to God, who preserves men for ever, and hope that His Spirit will guide me into all His truths.
• Meetings for the Overcomer: God opened my eyes to the necessity of raising up in churches at various places, a number of people who are victorious to be His witnesses... Therefore once every year a meeting for the victorious was held in which I faithfully proclaimed the messages which God has revealed to me.
• Building up Local Churches: When the Lord called me to serve Him, the prime object was not for me to hold revival meetings so that people may hear more Scriptural doctrines nor for me to become a great evangelist. The Lord revealed to me that He wanted to build up local churches in other localities to manifest Himself, to bear testimony of unity on the ground of local churches so that each saint may perform his duty in the Church and live the Church life. God wants not merely individual pursuit of victory or spirituality but a corporate, glorious Church presented to Himself.
• Youth Training: If the return of the Lord be delayed, it will be necessary to raise up a number of youths to continue the testimony and work for the next generation... My idea is not to establish a seminary or a Bible institute but to have the young people live a corporate life and practice spiritual life, that is, receive training for the purpose of edification and to learn to read the Scripture and to pray in order to build up good character. On the negative side, to learn how to deal with sin, the world, the flesh, natural life, and so on. At a suitable time they are to return to their respective churches to be tempered together with other saints to serve the Lord in the Church...

In the future my personal burden and work will generally comprise these four aspects. May all the glory be to the Lord.

— Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee's Testimony.

I believe it may be seen that indeed the Lord enabled His servant to fulfill this calling, in some ways beyond his anticipation; though no doubt as we all will do at the end, he would have said “We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which was our duty to do”.

(Some facts here also from Wikipedia)

Watchman began to write and publish at a very early age. In 1923, he began to publish the magazine The Present Testimony, and in 1925, he started another magazine entitled The Christian. It was also in 1925 when Nee changed his name from Ni Shu-tsu to Ni Tuo-sheng. The English translation of this is “Watchman Nee”, though actually the name means “Sound-of-the-bell Nee”. At the moment of his birth the watchman whose job it was to patrol the town through the night hours had been passing by.  There were five “watches” in the Chinese night, and his mother had heard the watchman sounding one of these with his bell or clapper. He adopted this circumstance for his new name.  At age 21, Watchman established his first assembly in Sitiawan, Malaysia while visiting his mother, who had moved there from China. In 1926, he established up another local church in Shanghai, which became the center of his work in China. By 1932, this example of meeting simply around the Lord’s table as local churches had spread throughout China, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore (The house churches which sprang up throughout the UK in the 70’s initially all followed this pattern “sitting together as family”, rather than as “facing-the-front-churches”).

(Still from Wikipedia) In 1928, Watchman published a three-volume book entitled The Spiritual Man. In February of the same year, Nee held his first "Overcomer Conference" in Shanghai. In January 1934, he called a special conference on the subjects of "Christ as the Centrality and Universality of God" and "The Overcomers". According to Nee, this was a turning point for him in his ministry. He said, "My Christian life took a big turn from doctrines and knowledge to a living person, Christ, who is God's centrality and universality."

In 1938, Watchman traveled to Europe and gave messages that were later published as The Normal Christian Life. Upon his return, Nee gave a conference on the Body of Christ. This he said “was the second turn in my ministry” -- "My first turn was to know Christ, and my second turn was to know His Body. To know Christ is only half of what the believers need. The believers also must know the Body of Christ. Christ is the head, and He is also the Body."

We will add a little more later on recommended reading from Watchman.

The most controversial book he ever published was at first entitled (in Chinese) “Rethinking the Work” in 1938; then published in English in 1939 as “Concerning Our Missions”; later retitled “The Normal Christian Church Life”. The controversy here was the contention that the work of planting churches and preaching the gospel “in all the creation” in God’s economy was the full responsibility of local churches, and that missions and parachurch organisations formed in this intention came short of God’s fullness or purpose and indeed in certain ways hindered His purpose. He was very careful however not to say that God in His grace was not using these ways of working, or that He had done very much in China through the sacrificial labours of such mission groupings; indeed he maintained fellowship with many brethren who saw things differently, and had cooperative work with them. But the work was explosive in the storm of criticism it generated. Time however has validated so very much of what he has said; particularly on the soil of China itself where the growth of the church from 500,000 in 1949 to perhaps 50 million in 1990 took place substantially without overseas finance, aid, or “supervision”. One of the contentions of “Rethinking the work” was that each local church should be independent, responsible solely to the Lord as the Head to direct their labours. His thinking on “church” and the independence of each assembly before the Lord included the following principles: --

(i) “The church” in any location, as defined by the Lord and owned as His body in that location, is composed of all the believers in that locality (1Cor.1:1). Whether brothers and sisters recognise each other and receive each other or not, this is the one and only true identity of the church. (this teaching was later much distorted by the “Witness Lee” group’s “local church doctrine” -- see later).

(ii) Each local church should rely on the Lord for needed finances, not looking to some overseas organisation or group for the financing of a “pastor” or evangelists (though giving and receiving gifts is normal in fellowship between churches, the expectation should always be from the Lord).

(iii) Leadership of the local church should not be by a single “pastor”, but if possible be led by a plurality of elders. The commonly held structure of “pastor-elders-deacons” should be “elders-deacons” only; the qualification of each elder however given in 1Timothy and Titus effectively means that each elder must be a pastor by gifting and calling. If he is not a pastor in function, he should not be an elder. “Pastor” in the New Testament is not a title (Matt.23:8-11) but a function and gift. Brothers should not be calling anyone “Pastor”.

(iv) All believers are priests and have a ministry; churches and church meetings should be oriented and arranged such that each believer has the opportunity to exercise his or her gifting for the building up of the whole; without that liberty and opportunity the church will be unable to grow to full stature.

(v) Church structures where groups of churches are linked together with overall superintendence is maintained in a kind of “pyramid structure” were unbiblical.

(vi) The responsibility of the Great Commission of Matt.28:19 to preach the gospel to all the nations is incumbent on each local church; before the Lord each church must know its responsibility and part in the whole.

(vii) It should hardly need stating, but of course it must be stated, that Watchman along with the whole Brethren movement (this writer firmly included) that leadership (at least within the categories of elder and deacon) within the body of Christ is male.

(viii) Those who go forth preaching the gospel establishing churches are “apostles” (“sent ones”). After churches are established, the apostle does not maintain any kind of formal authority over those churches he establishes (see Paul’s letters to the churches in Corinth especially); the apostle chooses elders in consultation with the saints, and then they are the ones in responsibility.

Watchman would have abhorred the current usage of “apostle” as it is heard now in many Western churches; indeed his doctrine of “apostles” such as it is demolishes the NAR concept. An apostle in his definition could be simply substituted by the word “missionary” with no implication whatever of a man who is in receipt of new divine revelation. Indeed the only man who can be thus considered “apostolic” is one who has soaked and saturated himself in the “doctrine of the apostles and prophets” as foundation.

Those who go out preaching the gospel should follow the instructions of the Lord to trust Him for their supply (Luke 10:4, 22:35). They are not to make appeals except to the Lord. This of course was upsetting to many missionaries and many missionary groups who constantly appealed to the churches of the West for funds. Watchman appreciated the labours of the CIM founded by Hudson Taylor more than most (CIM was founded on the principle of making no financial appeals); but one of his key observations was from Paul’s words in Acts 13:36: --

“For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep...”. Watchman’s perceptive comment was that “David served his own generation; he could not serve two”. To seek to perpetuate a work of God through large-scale human organisation was the reasoning of the tower of Babel “Let us make us a name…”, going beyond trusting God for His grace. Our present generation has certainly abundant evidence that large organisations and indeed large denominational structures with oversight over whole areas or groups of churches not only inevitably fail but in the end apostasize, leaving behind what can often only be described as pagan temples and priesthoods. On the other hand “apostolic teams” can operate flexibly as need requires on a small scale, and groups of churches can cooperate in outreach together.

These were some of the basic outlines of “Rethinking the work”. Ironically Watchman’s emphasis of “self-government” “self-support” and “self-propagation” (articulated it must be said also much earlier by some of the mission groups) was taken up by the so called “Three-Self Patriotic Movement” established by the Marxist regime in 1952 to act as a means of control of believers. However the meaning was completely changed -- here “self-government” meant government by the state, “self-support” meant no contact or support from outside of any kind, and “self-propagation” meant only keeping the message inside the four walls of the “TSPM” state-controlled churches.

That is still the general situation of the TSPM churches of China today, though local situations vary enormously, from men in TSPM pulpits fervently preaching the gospel to men putting forward basic Marxist propaganda in Christian disguise. In that respect it resembles something like the “Anglican” church, but with lots more state control. Probably 80% of China’s Christians meet entirely outside the regimen of the “TSPM” and will not join it in principle.

Into Business

In 1939, Watchman became involved with his second brother's failing pharmaceutical company. He was under considerable family pressure to use his abilities to help his brother. At that very time because of his encouragement many young men had stepped out into ministry, shepherding the flock and going out to preach the word. He was intensely burdened to see many of them in desperately sore straits financially, and this enterprise looked like a solution. If successful, he could support them in their time of need. Later he was to make the judgement in hindsight that this had possibly been an error, and that painful though it was, he had left the path of faith in so doing. No doubt we will hear the final verdict in eternity.

He took over full management of the factory, reorganised it, and began to employ many local church members from Shanghai. Some of the elders at Shanghai questioned his motivations and refused him their blessing and even their fellowship. To avoid controversy Watchman suspended his outward ministry activities in 1942. Ironically, at the very time he was being most heavily criticised, he was anonymously supporting some of the very brothers who were criticising him. Shortly afterward, the church in Shanghai stopped meeting altogether.

When the Japanese surrendered in China on September 9 1945, Watchman returned to Shanghai from Chongqing where he had been overseeing the pharmaceutical factory. He revived his spiritual work in Shanghai, purchased housing for some of his co-workers, sold the factory and business and donated all the proceeds into the Lord’s work. Within a short time, the church in Shanghai grew to over 1000 members.

Persecution and imprisonment

After the “Liberation” of China by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) on October 1st. 1949, great persecution began. False charges and arrests were also brought against many foreign missionaries. Through intensive propaganda campaigns and threats of imprisonment, believers were influenced to accuse one another (Wikipedia). Part of the intimidation included the setting up of the state-run “Three-Self Patriotic Movement” (TSPM) church and pressurising all Christian leaders to join it. Wu Yaozong, a so-called Protestant minister, led the charge. Hundreds of brothers and sisters were subjected to “accusation meetings” and sentenced to jail. These included Allen Yuan (Yuan Xiangchen) and Wang Mingdao of Beijing, Moses Xie (Shanghai), Samuel Lamb (Guangzhou) and many other prominent leaders.

It seems in the beginning however that Watchman had counselled that those churches in fellowship with him should express their positive resolve to submit to the new government; he did not publicly oppose the “TSPM”. Was this a mistaken counsel to be “wise as serpents and harmless as doves”? From his trial in 1952 onwards, his counsel would certainly have been different.

On April 10, 1952, he was arrested in Shanghai by Public Security officers and charged with bribery, theft of state property, tax evasion, cheating on government contracts, and stealing of government economic information. He was at that time pronounced "re-educated". On January 11, 1956, there was another nationwide sweep targeting the co-workers and elders in the many of the “Little Flock” local churches with more pressure to conform. Some died in labour camps, while others faced long prison sentences. On January 18, 1956, the Religious Affairs began twelve days of accusation meetings at the church assembly hall on Nanyang Road in Shanghai, in which many accusations were brought against Watchman in large “struggle meetings”.

On June 21, 1956, he was brought before the High Court in Shanghai, where it was announced that he had been excommunicated by his own elders in the church in Shanghai and found guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment with reform by labour. These years were passed in different prison locations. Only his wife, Charity, was allowed to visit him.

On January 29, 1956, Public Security took over the Nanyang Road building, and many of his co-workers were arrested, put into isolation, and forced to repudiate him. Some co-workers joined in the accusations while others, such as Peace Wang, Ruth Lee, and Yu Chenghua remained silent and were punished with life imprisonment. Following this, mass accusation meetings were held across the country to condemn the "anti-revolutionary sect of Watchman Nee".

Watchman’s friends in USA and elsewhere had all besought him to take the opportunity while the door was still open to stay in HK (he was on a visit there in 1950) and emigrate to USA, but he had steadfastly refused, saying that the shepherd’s place was to remain with his flock.

Watchman’s remaining with the flock may be contrasted with a much later incident in 1997 when Hong Kong was officially “returned” to Chinese control. It is a matter of public record that over 50% of HK pastors and ministers purchased a foreign passport by one means or another and emigrated before the critical day of July 1st. (Many missions also in panic moved their offices to other locations in Asia). Of course all their anxieties as to an immediate clampdown were unfounded, but their emigration demonstrated what kind of shepherds these were -- not shepherds but hirelings.

These days Watchman Nee is often wrongly linked to a man who for some years was his co-worker, Witness Lee. Even before Witness Lee’s departure to Taiwan in 1949, there is some evidence of disagreement between them on the matter of authority and how it was to be exercised in the local assembly.

After 1949, from his time in Taiwan onwards,  Witness Lee began to espouse many other aberrant teachings including modalism, (denying the Trinity) and promoting his own translation of the scriptures (sometimes called the “Recovery Bible”).

The disagreement between Watchman and Witness Lee is disclaimed however by Witness Lee’s group (sometimes called “Living Stream”) to this day. Initially they had both espoused the same definition of the “local church” which we gave above (we would too!). However Witness Lee went beyond that to say that unless believers in a locality submitted to elders which he or his people had appointed (as God’s “apostolic representatives” in the earth) then they were in rebellion against God’s appointed authority and under His chastisement. They could not indeed be considered as belonging to any church whatever.

Shades of some other doctrines we have heard before somewhere, someone will say!!

Witness Lee then sitting amid the perilous luxury of Taiwan began to send out a stream of instructions and exhortations to those who had espoused his teaching on the mainland, telling them in the face of all opposition they should march forth on the streets shouting “Hallelujah! Jesus is Lord!” at the top of their voice. Their meetings were also to be similarly conducted with prayer at maximum volume. Consequently they became known among the churches of China as “the Shouters” (呼喊派). Not surprisingly, many of these simple souls were very swiftly hauled off to the swelling labour camps.

Those who encounter the teachings of Witness Lee can benefit from Walter Martin’s analysis of their movement here: --

https://server.firefighters.org/18000/18110.mp3

The helpful information below also is available on this Web page: --

https://contrast2.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/the-false-gospel-of-witness-lee-and-the-living-stream-ministries/

Walter Martin’s analysis of “Living Stream” was repudiated by CRI after his death, but see the later article below which show that fundamentally nothing has changed.

“In late 2009, the Christian Research Institute (which is now headed by Hank Hanegraff, who is plagued with controversy and criticism and whose proper succession to Martin at CRI is disputed) published a special issue of the Christian Research Journal simply titled “We Were Wrong.” The whole issue is an apology to the “Local Churches” and an explanation of how CRI was wrong and how the LC are actually “soundly orthodox.” Norm Geisler and Ron Rhodes wrote a response to the CRI piece:

https://www.open-letter.org/pdf/Geisler_Rhodes_Response_to_CRI.pdf

-- to which Hank Hanegraaff subsequently wrote a response in the latest issue of CRJ.”

Later imprisonment and death

(Taken again from Wikipedia) One year before Watchman’s death in 1972, his wife, Charity, died due to an accident and high blood pressure; he was not allowed to attend her funeral. Her eldest sister then took the responsibility to care for her brother-in-law in prison. Though scheduled for release in 1967 he was still detained in prison until his death on May 30, 1972. There was no announcement of his death nor any funeral. His remains were cremated on June 1, 1972 before his family arrived at the prison.

His grandniece recounts the occasion: --

“In June 1972, we got a notice from the labor farm that my granduncle had passed away. My eldest grandaunt and I rushed to the labor farm. But when we got there, we learned that he had already been cremated. We could only see his ashes... Before his departure, he left a piece of paper under his pillow, which had several lines of big words written in a shaking hand. He wanted to testify to the truth which he had even until his death, with his lifelong experience. That truth is—"Christ is the Son of God who died for the redemption of sinners and resurrected after three days. This is the greatest truth in the universe. I die because of my belief in Christ. Watchman Nee." When the officer of the labor farm showed us this paper, I prayed that the Lord would let me quickly remember it by heart... My granduncle had passed away. He was faithful until death. With a crown stained with blood, he went to be with the Lord. Although Watchman Nee did not fulfill his last wish, to come out alive to join his wife, the Lord prepared something even better—they were reunited before the Lord”.

As with many ministries which have been of blessing to the saints, Watchman’s personal integrity has been attacked. Two books in particular, one in US published by Amazon by Lily Hsu and another published in Chinese in HK by the head of a Bible seminary have done this. These distasteful attacks are largely based on the evidence brought against Watchman in 1952 and then in 1956 by the Communist regime (accusation amounting to 2300 pages!). If any reader wishes for the sordid details the present writer has dug into this material and can show it reflects on the lack of integrity of those who have penned these two works, rather than in any way on Watchman’s integrity.

The apostle John tells us “Demetrius has witness borne to him by all, and also by the Truth itself” (3John 12) and this writer believes that is true of Watchman -- not that he never made a mistake or that his teachings are without defect -- but that all who love Truth would know that this is a brother worthy of our high esteem.

“Out of the eater comes forth meat” however, and in the course of looking at this deprecatory, indeed accusatory material, I found this very charming testimony (translated here from Chinese): --

https://aboutbible.net/Ab/E.61.WatchmanNee.html

“Back in Shanghai, Watchman Nee spoke about the importance of prayer. He told the congregation that knocking on the door is not knocking on the wall, just as looking for a specific goal, so is prayer.

One afternoon, Mr. and Mrs. Nee were invited to a tea party. A missionary there gave a wrapped gift to Pin Hui. She opened it and was surprised to find that it was their lost wedding gift: a Bible.

Asking her how she found it, the missionary told her a wonderful story：

The missionary had returned to Ireland for a holiday, and was preaching a message at a party. In the midst of her message, she said, "If someone here has a Chinese Bible, it will help me explain it more clearly." Someone handed her a Chinese Bible. When she opened the flyleaf, there in English were the words: "Reading this book will keep you from sin; sin will keep you reading this book." . In Chinese, however it reads: “From Tuo Sheng to Pin Hui”. Now the gift was returned to its rightful owner, the two were deeply moved and rejoiced.

It turned out that there was a British soldier serving in Shanghai, and when the Japanese army invaded setting houses on fire (sic) he also took advantage of the fire, entered a burning house hoping to get something. He saw the Bible and took it back to England, to give to his parents as a souvenir. Now, the “unfindable had become found”..”.

Watchman’s books and writings

As Watchman authored or was indirectly the “author” of over 150 books (many were put together from notes made at conferences where he was speaking) we only commend simply here a few. A fairly full list is found below: --

https://www.cbmministry.org/Books_By_Watchman_Nee.php

His best best-known book in English is The Normal Christian Life, which is based on talks he delivered in English during a trip to Europe in 1938 and 1939. This is a straightforward exposition of Romans for a new believer (and was a great help to this present writer as a young believer).

Other books which are simple to follow and very useful: --

• Sit, Walk, Stand (1957) (exposition of Ephesians)
• What Shall this Man Do? (1961) (a look at the different ministries of Peter, John and Paul)
• Love Not the World (1968)
• “Normal Christian Church Life” has already been mentioned

“The Spiritual Man” was a book he later said he regretted writing. Some have found parts of it mystical; it is written as a book of Biblical psychology, looking at man as body, soul and spirit. Certainly not a book recommended for new believers; my own view of it as a book was that it produced much introspection. One point in which I would qualify what our brother writes is that he places the three functions of will(power), emotions and thought/reason within the soul (psuche) of a man, and the three functions of knowledge, intuition and conscience within the spirit (pneuma). I would place the function of will(power) as overlapping into both. Now some will say I am being mystical!

One small book which I think deserves attention is “The Latent Power of the Soul” which was a kind of “addendum” to “The Spiritual Man”. This also appeared slightly rewritten as “Spiritual Obsession”. This book gives some very useful understandings (among other things) as to why some men of our present age have seemingly begin in genuine spiritual giftings and ended up in falsehood, deception and manipulation, even functioning in the demonic, by functioning in their own “soul-power”, not the true power of the Holy Spirit.

Watchman’s biography written by Angus Kinnear who spent two months with him before himself setting out for service in India as a medical missionary, is also very much worth the read: --

Kinnear, Angus (1973). Against the Tide. Fort Washington: Christian Literature Crusade.

On the overall history of the churches of China and the phenomenal growth over the last 60 years, readers who have not seen the 4-part series produced by “China Soul” on the history of the church in China, are commended to watch.  Online links below. A mighty encouragement to the soul!

 The original documentary “The Cross in China” was in mandarin but these are dubbed over into English.

They are about an hour each

English translation on Youtube — the four parts: —

Part II (Seeds of Blood) is the most moving of all, the interviews with the older brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYt003mw5_I&list=PL8ADlW-GGgLHiX_vj6RrGVuBcLMXR5tI-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egWC9URk77k&index=2&list=PL8ADlW-GGgLHiX_vj6RrGVuBcLMXR5tI-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieWkFzCcdVg&index=3&list=PL8ADlW-GGgLHiX_vj6RrGVuBcLMXR5tI-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1saiWejjo&index=4&list=PL8ADlW-GGgLHiX_vj6RrGVuBcLMXR5tI-

All of the heroes rightly celebrated in the hall of faith in Hebrews chapter 11 show in one way or another that they as we have feet of clay, and Watchman is no exception. But as a man among those who “have hazarded their lives for our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 15:26) he commands the respect of every follower of the Lord. God give us such men of fire in our generation, and make us such ourselves!

Postscript 50 years on

Our Lord tells us concerning prophets and teachers that “by their fruits you shall know them”. One fruit of Watchman’s labours across China was that by 1949 some estimates say there were 500 (some say 1000) assemblies of the “Little Flock” as they came to be called, with perhaps 150,000-300,000 believers.

One of these was in a city in a very remote corner of China where this present writer had the privilege of spending some time. The assembly had been established there since 1941. They had moved there “lock, stock and barrel” as a group of families from another location, as was a common practice among the Little Flock to establish a work in a new area. The church was led by an elderly brother in his 80s whom everyone called “Uncle Hu”. There were 3-400 meeting in a private courtyard in the city each Sunday morning early, at a time when the government had made a kind of concessionary but unofficial allowance to house churches that meetings were allowed in homes with no more than 20 in attendance. The gathering was therefore under much pressure with so many present on a Sunday.

Uncle Hu himself had spent over 14 years in jail. This particular assembly had separated from another Little Flock congregation in the city over the issue of government registration (a sort of “half-way house” towards the “3-self” TSPM position). Uncle Hu and his eldership were firmly set against this.

I never got to meet Uncle Hu in person but one of the young men within their team of “co-workers” and with some responsibility for preaching would come visit me on occasion. Our conversation would always be solely taken up with the Lord and His word, and the task of spreading His word to some of the various ethnic minorities in the area.

I knew from many that brother Hu had a most powerful preaching and expository ministry, often continuing for about 2 hours each Sunday. His ministry often incorporated something very specific for some of his hearers, which we might call a word of knowledge. These were always very significant for the recipients and a great encouragement. There were healings both in and outside the meetings and other miracles. But what was impressive not only with this congregation but with other ministering brothers I met across north China at that time (early 90s) that the true miraculous workings of the Lord were accepted as “a matter of course”. I never saw anyone “make a big deal” out of it; the ministry of the word and the regeneration of souls was the priority. I am quite sure that this was the legacy of those “mighty men” of the 40s who set this tone in their own ministry for the generation to come in regard to a balanced view of spiritual gifts.

Though this was a “Little Flock” assembly, in fact my conversations with brother Z. hardly mentioned Watchman or his ministry. This was no man-centred cult, the Lord and His word were constantly at the centre. I am quite sure Watchman would have rejoiced to see that in one sense he had been forgotten or in another sense “left behind”. He will certainly have much joy in it one day if he does not rejoice in it even in the present.

Another aspect to many spiritual giftings I observed in operation within the church was what I can only call their “unrepeatability”. Nobody could ever have the foolish idea of imitating them.

Here was one. After one Sunday morning meeting I happened to meet a sister who had been present. She told me very much moved that a certain beloved brother had been taken from them the previous night at about 3 am, simply dying in his sleep. He was apparently in good health, but the family discovered at 3 am that he had gone.

Another sister had been in prayer late at night the evening before and related that the Lord had given her the revelation that this dear man would be taken from them that very night. She rose up to the matter and began to plead earnestly with the Lord for him to be allowed to remain with them. After some hours of intercession, at about 3 am she had said “I simply gave him into the hands of the Lord, and with complete peace I knew that this was His gracious will”.

At the morning meeting, when his family had stood to relate to the assembly the matter of his passing, this sister then rose with tears to tell the company what had transpired for her in her waiting upon the Lord. It was not an exaggeration to say that “fear came upon every soul”.

The assembly continued to grow week by week despite regular visits from the government to brother Hu and his eldership to warn them they would not tolerate this large unofficial Sunday meeting. One Sunday Uncle Hu rose and told the congregation “Do not think that it is the government who is pressing us to divide up into small groups for fellowship and ministry. This is the hand of the Lord; and now all of us, sisters included, must be ready to take up responsibility for the ministry to one another in small groups. It is time for us to be scattered”. I knew not a few brothers rejoiced to hear this, as many of the congregation had had this very conviction; but shortly afterwards it seemed Uncle Hu became fearful that the saints were not ready and backtracked on his plan. Some of the young men of the congregation went to plead with him, especially a group of about 5-6 very gifted young men who were seeing hungry people coming to their small meetings in the suburbs; many of those coming to listen were elderly people who found the Sunday journey to the centre of town very arduous, on buses jammed to the very doors, and in the winter in freezing temperatures of below -20˚C. Apart from everything else, they were so impoverished that they could not afford the bus fare of about 5 US cents equivalent.

Uncle Hu remained adamant, however. Despite their great respect for him, the young men saw their responsibility as shepherds of His sheep as a greater priority than their normal submission to him on many issues; and so (without his blessing, indeed in the face of his solemn warning) they began meetings in 3 or 4 locations on a Sunday around the city with groups of 20-40 people attending. It seemed like the sovereign Lord smiled on their decision and within the space of a further 5 years these small meetings had blossomed into 50 congregations across the whole region, and as far as this writer knows, are expanding still.

These very precious young men (actually now not so young!) continue in their ministry, with the firm hold on the new covenant principle of “the priesthood of all believers” which our brother Nee so thoroughly imparted to those God gave him 50 years before in Shanghai.

“Let us not grow weary in well-doing; for in due season, we shall reap, if we faint not” (Gal.6:9).

The author is a UK born  evangelist who also represents Moriel in Hong Kong.

 

Study Topic: Introduction to Colossians
Date: Wednesday March 3, 2021
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In fact, what Britain has now so remarkably achieved, and how it did so, provides an object lesson in strategy and diplomacy for every democratic nation, not least when it comes to dealing with the Middle East or threats from foreign aggressors.

Although the United Kingdom formally left the European Union on January 31 2020, it entered into a transition period of 11 months within which to negotiate its future relationship with the EU.

The Europeans were determined not to give Britain any advantage that might enable it to prosper far more than EU member states ruled by Brussels. Since Britain obviously wanted to gain precisely that advantage, a battle was inevitable.

But the EU made a fatal error. It failed to realise that Britain really meant what it said.

Eurocrats are locked into the progressive mindset that regards democratic national self-government as an impediment to trans-national utopia. So the EU negotiators never took seriously the passionate desire of the British people to become once again an independent self-governing nation, as expressed in their 2016 Brexit referendum vote, nor the pledge by their prime minister, Boris Johnson, to honour that vote.

Moreover, the Eurocrats shared the attitude displayed by many in Britain who voted to remain in the EU — that the UK was too weak and useless to go it alone in the world.

The European negotiators assumed that, regardless of Britain’s formal exit, it would still want to keep many of the advantages of EU membership and would therefore swallow the back-door control by Brussels that these would entail.

Accordingly, even when Britain’s former prime minister Theresa May was dumped from office last year after trying to foist upon her country departure terms that would have turned it into an EU “vassal” state, the EU assumed that her successor, Boris Johnson, would prove equally feeble and pliable.

So when the British government maintained that sovereignty was its absolutely non-negotiable red line, the EU assumed that it was speaking with forked tongue. And when Johnson declared that he would opt for no deal at all rather than breach his sovereignty pledge, the EU didn’t believe him.

Confident that he was an opportunist anxious to avoid compounding the damage done by Brexit, it offered terms designed to play upon what it assumed was Britain’s main weakness. This was its supposed desperation to safeguard what the EU believed to be the UK’s most valuable assets—the City of London financial centre, the creative industries and the professions.

So to minimise disadvantage to these areas, the EU offered to keep them alone within the EU single market—and thus hook the UK under EU control in perpetuity.

Certain that Britain would want to protect these assets, the EU was therefore astounded when it turned the offer down.

With the clock ticking last week to the deadline, the astonishing truth suddenly dawned on the Eurocrats that Johnson actually meant what he said. As a result, they were staring down the barrel of no-deal.

Problematic as this would have been for Britain, it would have been far worse for the EU And so, at the last minute, a trade and co-operation agreement suddenly materialised.

True, it’s a flawed deal for Britain — not least because of areas like financial services that have now been left out of it altogether.

Other elements of the previously agreed UK withdrawal terms — in particular, a fudge over Northern Ireland which will follow certain EU single market rules — are very bad.

But the point is that these are now merely flawed treaties the UK can renegotiate, exit or supersede if it chooses.

For crucially, it has regained its sovereign power to make its own laws and policies, the essence of a democratic and free nation. That was the fundamental point behind the Brexit vote.

And the important lesson for other nations is that the British government pulled off this feat because its opponents didn’t believe it actually meant what it said — but it really did, and acted accordingly.

The assumption that the west believes in nothing strongly enough to fight for it has fuelled conflict in the Middle East and elsewhere. Around the world, aggressors gain the advantage because they know that western democracies that say they’ll bring them to heel don’t actually mean it.

From Iran to North Korea, from China to the Palestinians, rogue states, terrorist regimes and other aggressors have been able to continue their murderous, expansionist activities because they think that, however much the west may threaten them, it won’t follow through.

So the Palestinians never believed the west meant it when it told them they had to accept the right of Israel to exist. Why should they have believed this, when until 2016 at least the west never stopped excusing, funding and incentivising their aggression?

The one exception to this has been US President Donald Trump, who called the Palestinians’ manipulative bluff. Told by the rest of the west that moving the US embassy to Jerusalem would provoke the Arab world to violence, he ignored this and moved it anyway.

Not only was there no such uprising, but now the Palestinians have been marginalised by an Arab world that’s increasingly making its peace with Israel in a way that was previously unthinkable.

That’s largely due in turn to Trump taking the United States out of the Iran nuclear deal and reimposing sanctions on the regime. He thus showed that, unlike former President Barack Obama or the British and the Europeans, when he said he intended to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons he really did mean it.

Now there are fears that President-elect Joe Biden may reactivate the Iran deal and start pumping money again into the regime’s nefarious activities; or he may once again incentivise the Palestinians’ agenda of destroying Israel; or he may allow China to walk all over him in its drive to dominate the west.

This is based on the fear that Biden may behave as the left always behave. They have no red lines of principle over stopping aggressors and protecting their victims. Instead, their doctrine of moral equivalence means that they make no such value judgments between aggressor and victim.

Their red line is instead merely to keep negotiations and peace processes going. The result is that they excuse and empower aggressors just to keep them from walking out of the talks.

So when they claim to be against tyranny, racism and oppression, the world’s tyrants, racists and oppressors know they don’t mean what they say.

Britain now faces more battles with the EU The free world faces more battles with Iran, China, Russia, Islamic jihadists and other lethal foes. The Jews face their interminable battle against those who wish to destroy them.

What the Brexit deal reminds us is that hypocrites are dismissed with contempt as paper tigers; and that for freedom, justice and democracy to win against aggression, injustice and tyranny, the leaders of the free world must not pay mere lip-service to defending the former but actually mean what they say.

To Whom It May Concern, Christian Greetings & Season's Blessings.

A Moriel volunteer who monitors the internet forwarded us a link to a ridiculous video entitled: 'Jacob the deceiver'. While we have had no correspondence from our subscribers regarding this new attempted maelstrom of defamatory and slanderous cyber harassment against Moriel & James Jacob Prasch, once again by Deborah Menelaws of 'Studio Scotland', we do wish to pre-empt any with a quick and to the point reaction. Admittedly, most people , like ourselves, are long tired of this cyber vendetta, and their GV 24/7 gets too few views to take very seriously. We therefore only respond to her latest baseless polemic "Jacob the deceiver", for the sake of any of our newer subscribers who per chance may see it, (although we have not heard from any), doing so with reluctance.

• Moriel only operates one website, and that is its own. No such person is known to us as 'Caio Michael' to whom Menelaws ascribes the following remarks: *Hell Deborah you fat smelly mutant tuna fish stinking aids ridden unwanted piece of garbage". We do not even appear to have such a person on our mail list. We cannot comment on his claim that Deborah Menelaws has aids; her personal health issues are none of our business. We simply object to her efforts to link us to a person who dislikes her whom we have never even heard of. Indeed, a range of people we know dislike her, but him we do not know. Menelaws appears to be claiming that this 'Caio Michael' has a counterfeit website of some description, posting bogus content for which she falsely blames Moriel. This is pure nonsense. We do not even know who he is. In the last few years a wide gamut of people (most, but not all of them, women) have contacted us denouncing Menelaws. We know pastors in Scotland, England, & Northern Ireland have banned her from their churches, calling her 'End Time Handmaiden' show (where Deborah Menelaws is a self appointed 'mother-hen') " Cultic" and built on mysticism and Gnostic perversions of scripture. Such pastors however may speak for themselves , and Caio Michael speaks for himself. We speak only for Moriel.
  
  
• Before James Jacob Prasch worked with Studio Scotland, he authored several books, and did conferences in the USA (sometimes with thousands attending) with major Christian figures such as Tim La Haye, David Hocking, Chuck Missler, Dave Hunt, and Chuck Smith. With no reference to Menelaws, he had what at the time was the most regularly viewed Christian TV program in Britain (and possibly Europe), before leaving due to his objection to money preachers. Hideous claims by Menelaws that the Menelaws 'made Jacob known' are demonstrably absurd. God made him known.
  
  
• Caspari, which has its own centre in Jerusalem, Israel is where Jacob Prasch commenced his formal theological education with Cambridge University (he had previously been to university, but not seminary or bible college - although he had earlier learned Greek & Latin in the USA, and already acquired Hebrew). The Cambridge University Diploma in Religious Studies (which Jacob did in Judaism) is the Cambridge University curriculum which issued the credential. The course material , exam grading etc. was all by Cambridge University professors & examiners in England. However, the advantage of studying on site in Israel instead of in England of course, were the Hebrew language and local proximity to relevant archaeological excavations , Judaica museums etc. Jacob did do a theological degree in England however at London Bible College (today called 'London School of Theology') , and then commenced post graduate studies for a M. Phil. Instead however, he enrolled in a doctoral program at Fuller Seminary electing to turn an M. Phil into doctorate. A very serious auto collision in 1996 however put an end to his efforts, (which he later saw as providential given the unfortunate direction Fuller gravitated towards theologically and spiritually).
  
  
• Without a doctorate, Jacob has defined himself as "academically trained, but not an academic - scholarly but not a scholar". While he has published academic journal papers, as an author , in terms of style, he follows A.W. Tozer, FB Meyer, Martyn Lloyd Jones, Chas. Spurgeron, Francis Shaffer etc. in recycling academic material for an ordinary Christian readership. As with these authors and others, Jacob avoids scholarly syntax, explains the meaning of technical jargon (which academic books do not do need to do), and instead of footnoting, uses parenthetical referencing, and instead of Hebrew & Greek script that the average Christian cannot read, he uses italicised transliteration. Most authors making scholarly material digestible to an ordinary Christian readership do this same thing in lieu of publishing in an academic format (which is theology written for other theologians, but not for 'feeding the sheep'). Classic examples are the Credal Apology by Oxford Don CS Lewis' 'Mere Christianity' , the 'Commentary on Matthew' by Wycliffe Hall Oxford Principal RT France, and Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum's epic 'Hebrew Christianity : Its History & Philosophy' . While CS Lewis & RT France (who was also one of Jacob's lecturers at London Bible College) were Oxford professors, neither published books for general readership in an academic format. In imitation of them, neither does James Jacob Prasch. To dismiss the validity of Jacob's books on the basis of not being academically formatted and footnoted, would automatically require that the doctrinal & prophecy books by figures such as David Pawson, Tony Pearce, Roger Oakland, and many , many others also be discredited on precisely the same exact basis.
  
  
• Authors, commentators, and editorialists have moreover always expressed similar opinions using similar phraseology and terminology. This is obvious. This however does not constitute plagiarism where there is a verbatim false attribution of authorship. While Jacob would refuse to sue on the basis of 1 Corinthians Chapter 6 prohibiting such civil litigation, the vicious charge by Menelaws' that Jacob is a 'plagiarist' is a badly manufactured libellous lie.
  
  
• Moriel never sought conflict with the Menelaws. We simply believe that Studio Scotland , legally registered as a commercial enterprise, is misrepresented as being a ministry, when it is in fact not Christian 'ministry', but is in the ' ministry business'. When secular actors were paid handsomely for working on films such as 'The Daniel Project' and 'Daniel Connection', while James Jacob Prasch and other Christians were told do it pro bono 'For The Lord' and 'For The Gospel' , only for the rights to such films to then be sold to the Hollywood, and to Communist China (who persecute Christians and who want to prevent Christian films from being translated into Mandarin), is an unethical sham and a shame and a disgrace. We were told those films were for Christ, not for the fallen world. For Menelaws to continue to sell these videos featuring Jacob Prasch while publicly excoriating him moreover, seems like financially driven religious hypocrisy on steroids. This is the very kind of reason James Jacob Prasch refused any further filming by Menelaws, (just as he quit digital TV due to money preachers).
  
  
• The other motivating factor was Menelaws' attack on Moriel for our disassociation and refutation of David Nathan whom Menelaws promoted endlessly. Promotion of a supposedly saved Messianic Jew who teaches 'God The Father is Not the Creator', 'The Blood of animals, (not the Blood of Christ) will cleanse from sin in the Millennial Kingdom', 'the Gospel is Not eternal', and 'we can pray God's power into the cloth of a tie or jacket to knock people over for healing' is their business, not ours. But to attack us for opposing it is something different. David Nathan grew up Jewish, Jacob Prasch did not. Jacob Prasch's family is Jewish, David Nathan's family is not. So what? But ancestry became the basis of the attacks by supporters of David Nathan's heresy such as the Menelaws. Mr Nathan 'being more Jewish than Jacob Prasch' is not a defense of his heretical abberation theology. He is false teacher whom Menelaws promoted and defended for month after month, attacking Moriel for our stance opposing such apostate dogma that we were forced to renounce as he was a former team member.
  
  
• In pursuit of her vendetta, Menelaws has formed alliances with some very strange bed fellows. The video produced by 'Blood Bought Ministries in South Africa': "Is Chris Roebrough Fit to Be A Pastor' ? is available for free viewing on Moriel TV & RTN TV. We suggest any who are interested view it. Rosebrough dresses in clergy vestments and prays before a statue of an un-crucified Christ. He teaches forgiveness of sin comes from confessing one's sins to him, and that there is no antichrist, no 666, that the book of Revelation is only symbolic, and that both the Great Tribulation and the Millennial Reign of Christ have simultaneously existed since the First Century. The penchant Rosebrough and his producer (his son Joshua) have for fecal & four letter word vulgarity is disgusting. In the estimation of many Christians, Menelaws' mate Rosebrough seems to be crazy.
  
  
• Rosebrough claims to have a pie chart of Jacob Prasch's personal DNA, which would require a miracle (since he has no blood or saliva sample). Contrary to his claims, when he harassed Jacob's family, they told him nothing except to get lost. He correctly stated the original family name of James Jacob 'Prasch' was 'Brasch' and is a common Jewish name, but insisted that 'Prasch' were unrelated to the Jewish 'Brasch'. The Jewish burial certificates of 'Prasch' specifically stating the original name is 'Brasch' is on the Jewish burials website, and also copied in the article on the Moriel website "The Rant of The Desperate" (an actual James Jacob Prasch DNA report was offered to our supporters).
  
  
• Like Israel College of The Bible/ One for Israel, Jews for Jesus, and others - Jacob Prasch teaches that 'The Angel of The Lord' in the Hebrew scriptures, whom Kaballistic Judaism calls "Metatron" is a Christophany - an Old Testament manifestation of Jesus. This has been asserted in evangelizing Jews for over a century, first by Oxford lecturer in Hebrew Rabbi Tzvi Nassi (who became a saved believer in Jesus). Caballists variously also mystically identify "The Angel of The Lord" (or as they call Him 'Metatron') with Enoch, an Arch Angel, or the Messiah. Jacob Prasch explicitly warned on his video that Kaballah is occult; any elements of truth are combined with error. The only purpose of this teaching was Messianic Apologetics: to teach Christians how to evangelistically deal with rabbinic objections to The Trinity. The rabbinic mythologizing the scriptural 'Angel of the Lord' is false ; it is Jesus who is beyond, or at the centre of the throne ( a term appearing in the Book if Revelation). Watching our original video proves beyond question the dishonesty of Menelaws in misrepresenting our doctrinal position in the apologetic reference to Metatron, where Jacob repeatedly and specifically warns against the rabbinic mythology. Again, there is no euphemism for their plain calumny and bearing false witness.
  
  
• The other odd bed fellow whom Menelaws draws on in her attempts to paint Moriel as a cult, is the very controversial, and self admittedly non-Christian, 'Catalyst' organisation that has been involved in legal battles with the press. On its website, 'Catalyst' makes it clear that it holds 'NO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS" and will represent persons of ANY FAITH (Hindu, Moslem, Mormon etc.), and of any sexual orientation (homosexual, lesbian, trans-gender etc.). Why Menelaws would resort to a non Christian organisation like this in order to attack Moriel is a question for Menelaws. Catalyst, promoted by Menelaws, made three claims. The first is that Moriel was under investigation, when in fact Moriel has never been investigated in any jurisdiction. Secondly, that Moriel & Jacob Prasch reap high profits from the sale of recorded material. Everyone of course knows that , unlike Menelaws & Studio Scotland who sell recorded material as merchandise, all Moriel recorded material is publicly available on-line without charge for free downloading (we also allow multiple other channels to post our material free of charge). It is rather Menelaws who sell recorded material. Moriel believes: "freely you received, feely shall you give". Menelaws even sell recorded material of Jacob Prasch, calling him nefarious, yet openly making money from his name!
  
  
• The third claim is that Moriel is a cult. Moriel cannot be a cult because it simply has no members. Its team all attend other churches and affiliated churches are autonomous. Our statement of faith reflects 100% Conservative Evangelical orthodoxy.
  
  
• In the UK, Moriel is registered as a Charity. The audited accounts annually submitted to the Charities commission prove Jacob Prasch takes no UK salary and accepts no book royalties. In the USA, the charity laws are different than in the UK. There is no Charity Commission, but charitable organizations are non-profit corporations regulated by the IRS tax authorities like any other corporation. Under American law, book royalties are paid to the author, but can be donated back as a tax deduction. This however must be publicly declared, and it is (such can reach $150,000). In Britain there are 'restricted funds' (called 'designated funds' in the USA) . If a donation is received for India or Africa or a specific missionary, or team member (including Jacob Prasch), the money, by law, must go to where the donor requests. Team members can accept love gifts etc., but by the rules Moriel operates by, they may not solicit them. These distorted financial claims of profiteering by Menelaws are twisted. Moriel puts its audited accounts & financial records out for public viewing. Why won't Menelaws disclose for how much they sold the rights of "Christian" films for to Hollywood, Communist (Christian persecuting) China, and Satan's world?

* * * * * We regret having to reiterate this cumbersome folly again. Unfortunately, Menelaws is at it again. By God's grace, we have had just slightly over a 300% increase of subscribers in the last thirty or thirty one months, plus a volumetric rise in RTN, other channels, websites, & Facebook pages carrying Moriel material. Our subscribers, old & new, mostly just ignore Menelaws (as they should). Should any newer subscribers like a response to this nonsense from Moriel, they now have it. Moriel has but one website (though there are non English language Moriel websites in Japanese , Dutch, & Danish etc.). We conclusively and categorically assure everyone, that we have nothing to do with Caio Michael, and we don't know who he is. He certainly may speak for other people; but not for Moriel. Neither do any imagined death threats come from anyone connected to Moriel. Such assertions are nothing short of deranged. No christian ministry could ever engage in such things. Moriel is once more the target of sickeningly hostile, tragicomical fabrications from which The Lord Himself will defend us.

IN MEMORY OF BRAXTON CANER

'HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS JD HALL' !

BAPTIST TIMES IMPLICATED JD HALL IN SUICIDE OF 15 YEAR OLD BOY
JD HALL "repents" for interaction with suicidal teen

NEWSBOB ALLEN | AUGUST 11, 2014 BAPTIST TIMES

By Bob Allen

A Southern Baptist pastor, blogger and radio host accused of cyberbullying in the weeks since the death by suicide of a Texas teenager said in a lengthy confession read to his church on Sunday the controversy has left him “crushed” and “broken.”

Pastor J.D. Hall said many members of Fellowship Church of Sidney, Mont., might not even be aware that for three years he has been advocating reform in the Southern Baptist Convention through Pulpit and Pen, a blog and radio program that airs on Worldview Weekend founded by conservative Christian broadcaster Brannon Howse.

Among the issues Hall has addressed is Ergun Caner, president of Georgia Baptist Convention-affiliated Brewton-Parker College, who is accused of making up a testimony of being raised to become an Islamic terrorist before accepting Christ as a teenager. Hall has also taken on high-profile SBC leaders who defend Caner and failure in the Baptist media to report the story.

On July 2 Hall wondered on Twitter why Caner’s 15-year-old son, Braxton, was “posting make-out pics and profanity” on social media. Four weeks later, according to an online medical examiner’s report, Braxton Caner ended his own life in an upstairs bedroom of his home in Aledo, Texas, at 6:54 p.m. on July 29.

Hall initially defended the original post and a brief exchange of tweets with the teenager, saying it was relevant to the father’s ability to lead in his own home. Later Hall said he regretted pointing out the teen’s online behavior, calling it a distraction and admitting that he should have contacted Caner privately.

That didn’t stop several bloggers from piling on criticism, accusing Hall of “thuggery,” “cyber-stalking,” “harassing” and “bullying” the youth. Some suggested that criticism of his father by Hall and other bloggers may have indirectly or directly been a factor in Braxton’s suicide.

Hall told his congregation that he doesn’t believe his “four-comment and rather cordial exchange” had anything to do with Braxton’s death, but he confessed that he never should have interacted with the 15 year old youth “because my heart to him was not pastoral.”

“I am profoundly sorry that Braxton Caner ended his life,” Hall said. “Knowing now that this young man struggled with that level of despair, I am even more sorry that my interaction with this young 15 year old boy who then killed himself was adversarial rather than pastoral.”

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Jesus Said :

"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the Sea".

We hope that you are a real good swimmer JD Hall

Seasons Greetings !

This time reminded me a lot of being a camp counselor at Wonderland Camp during college summer breaks. I learned a lot from our director, Mr.D, and his family, their dedication to the Lord to bring the gospel to these children. Those were pretty challenging times, too, working with "at risk" children from the inner-cities. By comparison, our children are pretty well-behaved (we didn't need to deal with any fights during the whole two weeks).

At our house we read through Exodus 1-20 in Thai, usually a chapter before meals, learning the differences between the Old and New Testaments and the amazing history of how God redeemed Israel, which foreshadowed what Jesus accomplished for us. And we watched Superbook episodes of the Bible, sang worship songs, and also took the boys running/walking for 5K at a stadium each morning, and played soccer most evenings. These Bible Camps have been a great time for the boys to grow in the Lord. If they stayed home during these breaks, most of them would be on their cell phones, wasting away their days, instead of getting some good spiritual input from the Bible. It was a busy time for us, but really a blessed and fun time for them and us as well. Here are two pictures—one of the first week, and the second of our Saturday group.

Women's Prison This month for the Christian group I began teaching from the book of Acts. In looking at chapters 1 and 2, among other things, I talked about the meaning of baptism, that we are not born-again via baptism, but that it's a symbol of what already took place in the heart of the person who puts their faith in Jesus when they repented of their sins, died to their old life, and received new life by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then after a person is born again, they want to show outwardly via baptism, what already took place inwardly by the Holy Spirit. 

Jallay and I also had a good time teaching the recently arrived prisoners. A couple of them who were there last month also, gave good testimonies, showing that they are growing in the Lord, and maybe even have become born-again, having come from a Christian background, but not strong in faith or understanding the gospel. But, their testimonies showed real steps in the right direction.



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AMF Church Plant We continue to see steady attendance at the Burmese church. There are two unbelievers who are a brother and sister from Myanmar who continue to attend. And, this month one of the mother's our Saturday children came to church for the first time. She said she would like to come again. In December we're planning an outreach with dinner and small gifts, for more of the parents of the children and others to share the true meaning of Christmas.

Outreach to the Long Necked Ba-Dong Each Friday, Jallay and family continue to visit a group of folks from the Ba-Dong tribe in Myanmar. Some of the older women among them, still wear rings around their neck to make their necks longer (and more attractive apparently). Back in July a friend of ours donated some money for food and asked me where there are people in need (as a result of the covid economic downfall). This group was working with elephants and showing the traditional ways of life of the long-neck people, for tourists, but with the decrease of tourists their livelihood was suffering. We went there to hand out groceries and shared the gospel. Some of them are from a Catholic background and others from a Buddhist background.

Jallay has continued going there, teaching them in Burmese and Thai the true meaning of the gospel. None of them has come to church yet, but there's a core group of seven people and some weeks more who come to study the Bible each Friday. Please pray for them truly to be born-again. Here are some pictures—two from July and two other more recent ones.

Peace in Christ,

Scott, Khae, Micahberekiah, and Isaiah. 



The gist of one type of Baptist Hitlerism ran something like, “Well he don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t chew, and don’t run with them that do.” Baptists and many others lauded Hitler’s evocation of a desperately needed new esprit de corps in Germany post-Versailles, improvements in transportation, and his kindness to his beloved German Shepherd Blondi, whom he had raised from a pup. It’s easy today to stand incredulous and appalled at the colossal collective blind spots that accommodated so much support for Hitler for so long from so many. But it was harder to see the truth about his horrible rise to power then, and many Baptists weighed Hitler in the scales of moral rectitude and weighed in with their support.

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The Satanic Temple admitted proudly Wednesday that, in their belief system, killing an unborn baby in an abortion is a religious ritual similar to communion or baptism for Christians.

'The last enemy to be destroyed is Death'

Praise God that Jesus died our death to give us His Life Eternal.

Praise God that He has abolished death; that is 'katargeo'' : (Rendered “Death Inoperative”) due to the certain Hope of The Resurrection.

Praise God that Steve is with Jesus and no longer suffers from pneumonia, Coved 19, diabetes, or cancer and wouldn't want to come back even if God allowed him to.

'TO LIVE IS CHRIST, TO DIE IS GAIN'!

Praise God that Steve will be back better than new for 1,000 Years to an earth better than this fallen one and that we will be with him as Jesus reigns.

Praise God that in this age of reprobation and apostasy and the coming antichrist Steve has been blessed with going home early.

Indeed we can and should thankfully praise God for all of these things.

Though this painful separation is but temporary, my soul grieves for Steve's beloved Supriya and precious little daughter Malia.

The Word of God tells us that 'The Lord is near to those who mourn'. Psalm 34:18 & Matthew 5:4

The God of all comfort will see them through this awful bereavement and secure their future
until they and we are with our friend and brother Steve again.

James Jacob Prasch
(Moriel)

In Jesus,

J. Jacob Prasch
(Moriel Ministries)

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Two Narratives, which one is true?

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Copyright Violation is wrong. Filing complaints for legitimate violations is both ethical and appropriate. Lying however is not. To misrepresent a "FAIR USE' citation of a clip as a Copyright Violation is both dishonest and despotic. To further claim that a video not even showing clips of the complainant (Amir Tsarfati) is a 'Copyright Violation', in order to suppress open, fair, and reasonable doctrinal disagreement or theological discussion - is nothing short of lying. Amir Tsarfati's dishonest actions are shameful and unbecoming of someone claiming to be a saved believer in Yeshua. How can an Israeli professing to be a follower of his Messiah go to the secular world and make false accusations against fellow believers like this? This is done only to silence criticism of his teaching, which many believers who support Israel, including a number of Jewish believers, hold to be doctrinal errors. When the world behaves like this, that is the world. When believers behave like this, it is a disgrace to the Name and cause of Yeshua, bringing reproach upon His Gospel.

We ourselves normally agree with Amir Tsarfati's political commentaries. His "teaching," however, is in the view of many believers a mixture of truth and error warranting honest, scripturally based discussion. Amir Tsarfati is indeed a tour guide and an officer in the military reserves, and is in a position to produce such political and strategic commentaries as a believer. He does not however pastor a congregation in Israel, he is not a Messianic theologian, nor speak for the Messianic leadership in Israel. Amir Tsarfati's ministry is primarily to the church in the diaspora. We publicly call upon Amir Tsarfati to repent and apologize to Dean Gibson and Sonia Azam.

The specific teaching of Amir Tsarfati challenged, concerned his false Christology that Yeshua is the Archangel Michael. When first accosted, he reacted by citing a Jehovah's Witness cult false teaching, then Amir Tsarfati angrily blamed others as if he were a victim of something other than his own erroneous dogma. Now Amir files copyright violation claims where no violations exist. Regarding his second bogus copyright strike against the converted Moslem sister Sonia Azam, some of us even agree with Amir Tsarfati's position on a Jewish antichrist. This however does not constitute a right to dishonestly sequester, by such utterly disingenuous means, material that reviews and dialogues about his proposition. The habitual belligerence exhibited by Amir Tsarfati in response to those in honest disagreement with him has now been replaced by a policy of demonstrable dishonesty.

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*DISCLAIMER : MORIEL TV stands in complete doctrinal agreement and theological harmony with the excellent contents of this video production with regards to the Pre Tribulational Rapture position
which we deem to be unscriptural and fundamentally incompatible with the unignorable factors highlighted in this video, as well as certain other further exegetical and historical considerations supporting the same conclusions.

While the doctrinal positions of those within MORIEL TV are absolutely congruous with the producers and contributors of this video regarding the Pre Tribulational rapture view which we in common with the producers & contributors hold to be erroneous, there may be other areas outside of the scope of this video where we may either agree or disagree or partially agree. The academically well-presented and scholarly argumentation set out in this superb production, precisely parallels and echoes our own assertions with respect to this increasingly vital subject irrespective of any extraneous matters not specifically addressed in this video.

We Thank The Lord Jesus , the Producers, and the Contributors for this important and valuable resource, and we encourage its circulation and dissemination within The Body of Christ globally.

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Moriel TV is active in the area of discernment withstanding the popular apostasy in the contemporary church that The Word of God warns would precede the return of Jesus. We remain firmly aligned to the conviction that contemporary events in The Middle East , Europe, and in the church make the present time in history different from other eras when people thought it was the last days. We affirm the belief that Jesus is coming again and prophecy of His return is radically being fulfilled increasingly.

If you have any questions, please let us know.
Every blessing to you

It is a must watch. Great exposition of the book or Romans.

Please share this with your Spanish speaking family and friends.

Much needed reminder of the grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

More teachings to come, stay tuned!

Follow Sergio Mariani on his own channel where you will find worship music, teachings and well done series on "Know your enemy" in Spanish.

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This has become evident with a recent repackaged trend called Complementarianism, promoted by Dana Crosby. dana has produced teaching, that attempts to show that headship has been deliberately mistaught to suppress women and keep them away from the pulpit. Jacob examines this, and calls it what it is, a lie.

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Most of Social Media has gravitated in the direction of mainstream media, censoring anything they ideologically do not like. In an effort to control public thought and circumvent the American First Amendment, stifle free speech etc. , Social Media is increasingly biased and devoid of integrity. This has certainly become true in the political sphere with pro left wing ideology governing allowed content , but on issues concerning Pro-Life activism, Disagreement with homosexuality & lesbianism, fair criticism of Islam etc., Christian interests are progressively being stifled with anti-Christian censorship.

What is more troubling is that propagators and promoters of heretical doctrine and apostasy have in cases we are aware of, lied and fabricated charges with mediums such as YouTube to silence more scripturally based voices of opposition to their demonic doctrines and practices. Even where 'fair use' citations of videos have been made, the capacity of players in the apostate church to lie, falsely claiming copyright violations etc., has been unbelievable.

The rapid pace of change since the coved 19 outbreak from China and its impact on the church and its challenge to the Freedom of Christians has been an avalanche as has been increasing anti-Semitism and Jew hatred. There has been politically motivated censorship of Israel, while Iran is allowed to demand Israel's violent destruction on Social Media. Conservative voices are unjustly being branded and banned as racists, while truly bigoted voices on the radical left are allowed to sing their venom like a chorus intoxicated canaries.

Ultimately however, prolife, pro-Israel, and pro heterosexual marriage voices among Christians are being equated to political hate speech.

Just as independent media has been the only viable alternative to mainstream media, independent Social Media platforms with their own servers and apps are the only alternative to the direction most of mainstream Social Media has veered, and this certainly includes YouTube & Twitter.

To proclaim the authentic message of Jesus and His Return as is taught in God's Word, saved Christians can no longer rely on secular social media respecting First Amendment r5ights, or Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Religion itself is already under attack.

We must have an alternative outlet while there is still time remaining.

We are not wanting to sound alarmist, but we must be realistic.

This is why we have RTN TV & Radio. Please join us. Please subscribe. Please get the App. Visit us on RTNTV.org .

By God's grace we promise to deliver to you Christ centred and Scripturally based ministry. We need your participation, but we covet your prayers.

Sincerely in the love and service of Christ,

JJ Prasch & Moriel Ministries

Jacob Prasch deals with the current events in the Middle East. This time he deals with the Turkish threat and how it relates to Bible Prophecy and the return of Jesus.

Coming soon: What does "If I be Lifted up" mean? Jacob Prasch will discuss the meaning of this wonderful teaching from our Lord. Find out when Moriel releases their newest video.

Moriel however, is focused on doctrine. We have long warned of the heretical content of TBN, even prior to the homosexuality & financial scandals being reported repeatedly on the front page of the LA Times. The TBN  money preaching was injurious to the testimony of the Body of Christ.

We also opposed the dangerously false teaching of Hillsong even prior to the highly publicized sexual & financial scandals. The 'serve the Roman Catholic church' hyper ecumenical policies of Darlene Zscech with the pedophile protecting Pope John Paul II, were highly troubling to us. So too were were the blasphemous 'Naked Cowboy' and 'Jesus in Drag as the Statue of Liberty'' fiasco by Hillsong in New York exposed by the secular media.

The Royal Commission investigation in Australia declared Brian Houston culpable of protecting his homosexual pedophile father Frank in a series of moral fiascos that rocked Hillsong on top of the NY media mess of Hillsong's Carl Lenz degradation of Christ.

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Tim Wirth's Website No Goofey Zone has Mr. Wirth declaring his tenure playing with Hillsong and with Darleen Zcech to be a "BLESSING", and boasting of his work with TBN.

This kind of repertoire & CV is to Moriel a shame and a disgrace and not something to count as a 'Blessing'. TBN is nothing to boast of. This manner of self promotion by Mr. Tim Wirth further confirms the impetus for Moriel getting rid of him.

Many Christians think that Hillsong above all is an enterprise that is about money (as was revealed in an Australia TV news documentary). Many also found the unceasing emphasis on money by TBN was much the same thing.

Among many of us who know him ands who have dealt with him, Tim Wirth is a less successful version of the same thing.

Doctrine and ethics had little place in Hillsong or TBN. Lo and behold - Tim Wirth.

The covid virus that has been Communist China's gift to the world has been corrupted into a political issue and not primarily a scientific & medical one. 

Data on the efficaciousness of existing quinine based medication, the media suppression of contrary medical and scientific opinion by eminent professionals, the manipulation of statistics neglecting to relate increased diagnosed cases to increased testing, and the ignoring of decreased infection rates in places such as Sweden where no lockdown was ever enforced or implemented, are just a few of the causes for popular confusion.

Accusations that the political left is deliberately misusing the pandemic to depress the American economy in league with refusal to stop urban rioting in cities and states with left-leaning governments as an electoral strategy to turn voters against Donald Trump is another aspect being highlighted by some voices. So areaccusations that globalists are exploiting the pandemic to engineer political, economic, and social crises internationally in order to oppose populism.

All of these views indeed may have merit as secular issues. Our concern however are the issues concerning the body of Christ. Is john MacArthur and others like himScripturally correct in their position? 

For the record, a Moriel affiliated church in California has adopted a modified position akin to that of 'grace to you' and masters seminary although they are practicing social distancing, face masks etc. But why?

It is no secret that Moriel & Jacob Prasch are at theological odds with John MacArthur in several basic areas of dogma & praxis.

Eschatologically we deem John MacArthur's teaching that there will be those following the rapture who accept the mark of the beast yet who will be saved and go to heaven to be both false and dangerous and in diametric contradiction to Revelation chapters 14, 16, & 20.

Pneumatologically despite our own hard core opposition to hyper charismatic & ultra-Pentecostal extremism (Neo-Montanism) with its mysticism, emotionally governed pseudo spirituality, and hermeneutical Gnosticism seen in the New Apostolic Reformation, Word Faith money preaching, and counterfeit revivals (Toronto, Lakeland, Hillsong, Pensacola etc), we co-equally abhor the Cessationism of John MacArthur on the opposite pole of the spectrum. Suppressing the Holy Spirit and mutilating the texts of 1 Corinthians to make it say that which it exegetically does not. Both extremes are deception and lunacy.

Philosophically despite the common ground we share with John MacArthur on the fundamental essence gospel and our similar caveats contra-ecumenical seduction,we find the reformed proposition that a god of love intentionally created certain people to be eternally tortured in hell to be aCalvinistic repackaging of the 'inja allah' teaching of Islam & the Koran, combined with Calvin’s 16th century humanism. Jesus taught us that 'hell is a place created for Satan & his demons', and Jesus died and arose so that no one would ever need to go there, though an omniscient God know the future. We do not subscribe to the patristic theology of Augustine whose Platonism was seminal in the development of Roman Catholicism, despite his maintaining certain true things as well as the introduction of error alien to the New Testament and the apostolic church.

Soteriologically we hold that John MacArthur is confused in his understanding of the blood of Christ and ignorant in his convolution of the death of Christ and his blood.

Ecclesiologically the text of 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 warns us that in certain circumstances there can even be a 'guilt by association’, but always by cooperation. John MacArthur'sheinous partnering with a nefarious figure like Tim Keller and a neo-gnostic like John Piper who leads the 'lectio divina' visualization ritual with mystical Gnostics such as Beth Moore and Francis Chan, is nothing short of pathetic. To align with those who what you profess and know to be serious error is nothing short of hypocritical. When ministry becomes built on theocratic politics instead of on doctrinal theology, ugly fruit can be the only result. We have tragically witnessed Mr. MacArthur's deputy, Phil Johnson in bed with Chris Rosbrough & son, famous for their supposedly satirical use of excrement vulgarity and on-line four letter swear word profanity represented as being somehow 'Christian'. Rosbrough rejects any belief in a mark of the beast or a literal antichrist and teaches that the millennial reign of Christ with Satan being bound commenced with the ascension of Christ. Rosbrough propounds sacramental regeneration and proclaims that forgiveness of sin comes from confessing one's sin to him to receive absolution. Being in league with such a deceiver is indefensible, but that is what Phil Johnson of master's seminary does. Mr. Johnson lends credence to Doreen Virtue who claims to have had a 3D apparition of Christ, depicted by an artist in accordance with her description, who had no stigmata and (thus) was never crucified for our sin, yet had a protruding Roman Catholic-style sacred heart emanating from his chest. She has just this week published her fourth book on this claimed apparition despite claims that she has renounced it a few months earlier. Yet it is Doreen Virtue whom Phil Johnson enlisted on a video to defend john MacArthur's erroneous teaching concerning Mark of the Beast.

For the aforementioned reasons, Moriel & Jacob Prasch cannot recognize john MacArthur as a solid, Holy Spirit illuminated expounder of God's Word, though our own convictions are so often in harmony with so much of what Mr. MacArthur and his colleagues otherwise write and declare from the pulpit. We therefore do not address the current Covid-19 issue in any sense as his devotees.

In California, and elsewhere, leftist gangs can congregate for premeditated civil unrest, the demolition of public monuments, and the violent dissemination of hate speech, often against Christians.Christians however, cannot assemble for prayer, fellowship, and worship. The abortion mills are open for non-therapeutic termination of pregnancy; killing babies as a form of birth control.

Cannabis clinics are also open in California for the procurement of marijuana. Churches however, must be closed.

God may indeed be allowing this as a judgment on apostate churches such as Rick Warren's Saddleback and Bill Johnson's Bethel in Redding. However, Christ-centered and scripturally-based houses of worship are also off limits by the decree of a left wing governor known for his anti-conservative Christian political biases.

Unfortunately, we are unable for the reasons listed above to applaud or salute John MacArthur's actions and his stance as we would have preferred to do. We do however, on the basis of Acts chapter 4, affirm his policy as scriptural. While we are prevented by his bad theology from standing in solidarity with him, in this case we do stand in solidarity with his actions.

It is moreover disturbing to us that so many of his traditional supporters are dividing from him, not over the kinds of doctrinal issues we mention, but because of his reaction to this unjust interference in the affairs of the church by an ungodly politician in Sacramento. In this at least, john MacArthur has our prayers and empathy (for what little they may be worth to him).

Finally, we are forced to regard any citation of the criminal charges brought against his son for alleged financial impropriety in his secular business to be a low blow. Whether these allegations are to any degree a politically motivated misuse of the judicial process by anti-evangelical secularists of the kind California is renowned for, we do not know. We do of course thank God for the

Constitutional principle of 'innocent until & unless proven guilty' enshrined in American law (which is also under assault in California by radical feminist advocates of corpus juris). Be these things as they may, they ought not be a factor in the present equation.

Proverbs 11:1 commands that we are not to have unequal weights & measures. If we stand in critical opposition to John MacArthur when we believe him to be wrong, Christian honor demands that we stand in support of his position when we believe that he is right. 

James Jacob Prasch

This week, it was disclosed to the international news media what becomes of 'Christian ' films in Communist China. This policy is not new, but the law on the books is.

Moriel terminated its relationship with Studio Scotland & GV 24/7 due to both doctrinal and ethical concerns some time ago. Their efforts to re-launch GV 24/7 have floundered as the stats indicate that practically no one watches it; viewership is chronically low. The mysticism charged conspiracy theory charade of the women's ministry' saw pastors informing us that Deborah Menelaws is 'lunatic fringe' and will never be permitted back to their churches. The big decline however is in their film and video production and the shameful scandal surrounding their premier film 'The Daniel Project' (and the rather low-grade flop with acting, supposedly based on it, 'The Daniel Connection').

The Menelaws produced the Daniel Project around the narration of myself in dialogue with a major secular voice artist who was paid secular professional rates (footage of myself was also included in the idiotic Daniel Connection after I refused to 'act' in it). I agreed to be paid nothing as did the Christian extras etc. on the Daniel Connection because we were told that 'it was for evangelism and we were 'doing it for The Lord'. The film was then sold to Hollywood (California Pictures/ Paramount), and The Daniel Connection was sold to Communist Chinese interests, assuring it would not be translated into Mandarin to evangelize Chinese people, even while China was stepping up its cruel persecution of believers. This is Deborah Menelaws.

I did this as an evangelistic endeavor, not a commercial one. I did it Jesus and for the lost, not to sell it to Hollywood or Communist Chinese. I am still waiting for my money which I want donated to a charity helping persecuted Christians. Our lawyers and the BBC confirmed that someone need not be a member of an actors union to be paid for a role in a film, and contributors are regularly paid for documentaries. I want to give my pay to the persecuted Christians in China whom Menelaws betrayed for money, selling the film ostensibly produced to evangelise.

The Communist Chinese Party & government (which control regulates all sectors – social & commercial), maintains strict policies against any Christian films that can be used to spread the Gospel:

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But the Menelaws just did not care. Ministry is only a business, and Business is Business. As long as it sells, you can pay top, expensive secular Hollywood talent, such as Caroline Goodall handsomely, but use, exploit, and bamboozle good and well-intentioned saved Christians into working in it without any pay at all by telling them they are doing it for The Lord and for the

Gospel of Jesus. Then it is sold it to a cruel, demonized, Christian persecuting regime in Communist China, assuring the film will never be used to spread the Gospel of Jesus. This the Menelaws did.

Unlike legitimate ministries which are registered and incorporated as Christian Charities, the Menelaws' Studio Scotland is registered as 'for profit' commercial enterprise they portray to people as being a ministry. Several people were shocked to discover the truth and have described them to us as religious frauds pretending to be a ministry.

The Daniel Project is their Premier production, which ironically, and in an act of Divine retribution, features me and promotes our ministry at the same time they are endlessly attacking myself & Moriel. I must laugh.

No other Christian film they have produced has achieved the merit and notoriety of The Daniel Project, and no other film they produce ever shall. God has removed His Hand from them and as a supposedly 'Christian' venture Studio Scotland and its ancillaries have declined as has GV 24/7. All they can do is wallow in the mire of their decline and moan & rant with malice, resenting others for their reaping of what they themselves have sowed. What the Chinese paid them is by scriptural definition ‘filthy lucre’ good for nothing other than buying a potter’s field.

After webcasting the videos of the David Nathan heresy promoted by Menelaws & GV 24/7, and producing copies of the sales certificates of films to the world that Christians worked for free on believing it was for the Gospel, Moriel was showered with letters and emails thanking us for showing them the truth about Menelaws and their shameless escapades. Now, they no longer watch GV 24/7. Indeed, hardly anyone does. That ship is sunk and won't be salvaged. God will not be mocked. He won't allow it.

They seem to have abandoned their server & platform due to diminished viewership and only post on Youtube with a very low amount of interest.

After posting a heavily edited video from Bill Randles' church misrepresenting what transpired with David Nathan, even Mr. Bill Randles was publicly compelled to acknowledge that Menelaws lied intending to deceive the Body of Christ.

William Randles Yet you call him out, accusing him of being self-seeking. Facebook is not the only front this battle is being waged on. We are sincere when we say that David Nathan’s doctrines are a problem, just as I have been sincere when I called Jacob on his language. What you seem to want is to call me out and shame me for not being as adamant as you think I ought to be about Jacob. There are other issues as well, for example, the Menelaws are using an excerpted video (from our church) which can be construed as having Jacob agree with David Nathan’s teaching on the Millenial sacrifice. Nothing could be further from the truth, but they continue to run it anyway(last time I checked). This is a mess brother indeed, but don’t exacerbate it by wildly implicating people who either have no real connection to it, or like me, who are and have been trying to deal with the problem, and don’t deserve to be treated a though they haven’t. I thought you already said you wanted to “Move On”?

In reaction to our response, Menelaws reacted by cyber vendetta with a non-Christian organization called 'Catalyst' known for controversy in the UK. This organization states on its website that it has

‘no religious beliefs of any kind’ and represents people of any faith (Moslem, Mormon, Hindu) and of ‘any sexual orientation’ (homosexual, lesbian, bi-sexual, trans-sexual). Having no scriptural basis for their defense of the heresies of David Nathan etc., they went to the world just as they sold the Christan films to the world. Because David Nathan is fully Jewish, though his family is not (I am the opposite; I am not but my family are), his orthodox Judaism was why he taught on one video that he, and not non-Jews could not understand his heretical denials of fundamental Judeo-Christian truths. This fueled a stupid campaign attacking my own genealogy as not being sufficiently Jewish, (or Jewish at all), as a standard to establish David Nathan's theological credibility over mine by David Nathan's heretical followers.

It was asserted that I & Moriel were 'under investigation' when in fact we have never been investigated by any juridical body or agency in any jurisdiction. It was asserted that we are a cult that abuses its members, when in fact we have never had any members. It was also alleged that I reaped large financial earnings from the sale of recorded material, when in fact all of our material had long been available on-line for free download.

When these ridiculous efforts (which our lawyer, a well known Christian Rights Crusader, himself a believing Jew, made fun of) were shown as disingenuous and contrived, Menelaws maliciously fabricated other concocted strategies they invented.

The first was false allegations of financial impropriety. Our audited accounts in both the UK & USA are in complete accord with the laws & regulations of both countries as in other countries. The UK records filed annually with the UK Charities Commission indicate that I receive no salary, solicit no personal support, nor accept any book sales royalties. Thus they resorted to distorting publicly available financial reports in the USA where the tax laws and charity regulations differ from Britain.

In the American system, the legal & financial manner in which book royalties are not accepted is to accept the royalties and return them to the incorporated charity as a tax deduction, where the author becomes a donor. Book sales are a fiscal mainstay of Moriel. The royalties must be paid, reported in the audited annual financial report, and declared on my income taxes as a deduction. Also, the designated fund's regulations apply. If a donor sends a gift designated for a specific country, mission project, missionary, evangelist, or otherwise, by US law it must go to where designated and this must be shown in the audited accounts for the IRS. I am not allowed by the policies of Moriel to solicit personal gifts or honourariums, but as long as reported and declared, I can accept them.

What Menelaws did was to only report the income ($147,000) without reference to royalties being redonated as a tax deduction under US law and duly reported. This caliber of slander and defamation has become Menelaw's hallmarks.

Lest our right-hand knows what the left-hand does, I can give no figures. For the record, however, David Lister & myself are two of Moriel's largest supporters, and the ministry gets 60% of earnings from my secular intellectual property business. Some of these assets are South African domain names, but were acquired - not registered, and are not even held in South Africa itself, nor is their sale being negotiated with South Africa. This does not meet the legal definition or criteria for further false allegations of a form of extortion known as 'cybersquatting'. It is a lie.

Following their David Nathan fiasco, the Menelaws and a few accomplices supportive of David Nathan, then attacked my genealogy. My testimony has been in the public domain for decades. Ancestorily, my family name was Brasch altered to Prasch (as the burial records show, and as Rosebrough & Menelaws themselves affirmed), and were buried in Jewish cemeteries with burial certificates in both names - Brasch & Prasch. The altered name means ‘Pharisee’ but is not original.

I have copied dozens of people the original 'Prasch' Jewish burial documents.

Today, apart from Orthodox Jews, many Jews are buried with non-Jewish spouses in Christian or secular cemeteries (In Forest Lawn, George Burns is buried in the same crypt as Walt Disney and New York Mayor Ed Koch is buried in Trinity churchyard, etc.). In pre holocaust Europe however, this was not the case.

The original Family name moreover is Jewish, not German as claimed by Meelaws etc. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Moritz Brasch (1843–1895), Polish-German Jewish philosopher

Charles Orwell Brasch (1909–1973), New Zealand Jewish poet, literary editor, arts patron Arno Brasch (1910–1963), German Jewish physician; (de)

Rudolph Brasch (1912–2004), German-Australian rabbi, author

Thomas Brasch (1945–2001), German Jewish writer, dramatist, editor, lyricist Walter M. Brasch (1945–2017), an American Jewish journalist

Claims by Menelaws/ Bethel echoing claims by Chris Roseborough and supporters of David Nathan to have received genealogical data from my family are a lie. He contacted two of them and both thought he was someone crazy and told him to cease contacting them. Additionally, apart from cemetery records (the Nazis only desecrated, vandalized and defaced Jewish graves with swastikas), in the 'Juden Spulen', all German Jewish birth, death, and marriage records were incinerated by Hitler to purge any record of German Jewry. Rosebrough & Co. (Menelaws, Rogers, etc.) could not possibly have pieced together an accurate genealogy without such essential documentation.

In his fabricated DNA chart, Rosebrough redefined Nationality as Ethnicity to mislead. The inaccurate genealogies I have seen have do not contain relatives familiar to me but do have ones I never even heard of. Every member of the Moriel team now has the burial record from Jewish cemeteries verifying Prasch/ Brasch is buried as Jews. It is Jewish burial records and DNA that are used by the Jewish Agency and Diasporic Institute (Beit Ha'Tfutsot) to determine Jewish heritage and ancestry where there are no civil birth, death, and marriage certificates or synagogue records.

Unfortunately, we cannot post much of this data on-line as Rosebrough has lied about other documents we have posted and harassed my family (including non-believers). However, any Moriel supporter already on our mail list who wishes to physically see certified documentation can be allowed to do so by prior arrangement. I also agreed not only to bring my documents to debate, but even go directly to the Jewish Agency with Rosebrough, but Rosebrough declined to debate the issues that he initially raised concerning John Mac Arthur's teaching on the 'mark of the beast', and Roseborough's endorsement of Doreen Virtue following his initial denunciation of her as a “polished scam” on the video of her sold by Sid Roth.

Some graves have 'Prasch', others 'Brasch', but others have both - substantiating it is the same family. My ancestors lived in Hamburg, Bad Orb, Dresden, and Leipzig. Most however emigrated (and assimilated) to the USA & UK. As with all German Jewry, certain burial records and grave locations survive. The other data being burned when synagogues were demolished. Some of these

interment records are available on-line on Jewish burial sites .

It is also scientifically impossible to construct a DNA chart without a blood or saliva sample. The ridiculous forgery that Rosebrough concocted is ludicrous. My actual DNA report indicates that I do not have even 1% German DNA. (My maternal DNA however is mainly Irish/ Celtic).

I attended the Jewish community with my siblings in my youth, and although I was in the Jewish community - I was never at all brought up in the Jewish faith (despite circumcision in infancy). Based on ancestry, however, the Israeli Jewish Agency issued me an immigration certificate (called: t'udah oleh) specifically stating my ethnic identity as 'Jewish' after I marrying and returning to Israel from abroad. While this is a legal document for various civil purposes, I am not recognized as Jewish by the rabbinic authorities for any religious purposes.

In the coalition government of Israel, the Ministry of Interior controlling, not immigration, but Citizenship & National ID cards is in the hands of the Religious Political Parties. Unlike my Teudat Oleh, it does not state I am Jewish on my National ID card (Teudat Zeut) because I could not have been eligible under the 'Law of Return' to immigrate to Israel unless I converted to rabbinic Judaism (due to none of my Grandparents being practicing Jews by Religion despite any ancestry). There are literally tens of thousands of immigrants (or more) from the former USSR, the USA & Falasha community from Ethiopia with this same status in modern Israel. It is quite common. Contrary to what has been falsely reported in a lie, my wife & I did not even legally marry in Israel; the rabbinic authorities create too many bureaucratic & legal problems for believers.

I was named after a relative named 'Jacob'. In the USA this was Anglicized to 'James'. When I immigrated to Israel, James & Jacob are in Hebrew the same name translated 'Yakov' (thus I have both names "James Jacob" on my Passport & Driving License). This is all legally documented on all of my ID, bank accounts, etc. This is

also the usual common practice in Israel in assigning Hebrew names to new immigrants. My legal name is, therefore 'James Jacob'.

My wife is the 100% Jewish daughter of Holocaust survivors and our children were born in Galilee. Our son served in a combat brigade in the IDF as a Jewish soldier, before being transferred as a lawyer to the legal corps. My family is Hebrew speaking Israeli Jewish believers in Jesus. My family is gravely offended that

Rosebrough depicted me in a video clip as Adolph Hitler, as most of my wife's family were murdered at the behest of Hitler.

Being a cult, abject claims of financial impropriety and even disputed genealogy all became desperate rants of the declining. Now, there has been yet one more rant of hideous desperation. It is not insignificant that several Lutherans, by his admission, have called Rosebrough a cult leader.

A final attempted hit job by Bill Randles, adopted by Chris Roseborough, and imitated by Menelaws is the distortion of our evangelistic teaching on the Metatron, where I warn repeatedly about the occult nature of Caballa (mystical Judaism). The Cabalistic perverts what the scriptures teach concerning both The Messiah and 'The Angel of The Lord'. Cabalistic corruptions do not invalidate the concept of The Messiah or what scripture states about The Messiah, nor do such rabbinic perversions invalidate what the Word of God states regarding 'The Angel of The Lord' whom rabbinic Judaism calls the 'Metatron' but whom Christians hold to be a Christophany.

Bill Randles is not a man of formal seminary education (not that this troubles me), and he does not know what he is talking about. Menelaws, as is evidenced by their promotion of David Nathan's heresies, of course, knows even less. Rosebrough of course is formally educated in theology but is either in this case also ignorant, or deliberately disingenuous.

The Christian teaching on the Metatron has been used to refute One-ness Sabellianism (Trinity Denial) and to evangelize Orthodox Jews sine 1863 when Oxford University Hebrew lecturer Rabbi Tzvi Nassi became a believer in Jesus and authored his book on the Judaic basis for the

Divine Tri-unity. Most Jewish Mission organizations train their evangelists in messianic apologetics that includes evangelistic reference to The Metatron. Instead of defending myself, I will draw the reader's attention to the basic evangelistic instruction of 'Jews For Jesus' on the Metatron, and

a video clip with citations from the pertinent curriculum of the Israel College of The Bible and its evangelistic arm – One For Israel.

https://youtu.be/lqepaDSgUA8 The Metatron – One For Israel

https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v18-n02/kabbalahs-best-kept-secret/

As anyone can see for themselves, the ranting of those who have gone into error doctrinally, and lost their integrity (although we are very sadly forced to question if Menelaws or Rosebrough ever

had any to begin with), is like the abject howling of a terminally wounded beast. They are drowning in their sea of decline and are too arrogant and deluded by religious pride to yell for help, so they just yell.

When I took almost fatally ill in 2015 I knew it was God's purpose to address things in my life & ministry. Moriel went from being mainly itinerate to becoming mainly on-line. Now with Coved 19 Cannabis clinics and abortion mills are open but churches are by law closed. Leftists can congregate to riot and tear down statues, but Christians can not congregate to worship. We knew The Lord allowed my illness to reorganize our ministry to prepare for the future. Without a doubt, this accounts for the growth & blessings we have experienced since my illness. Now with RTN TV, new branches in Holland and India, and an expansion in missions the growth has gained momentum. Satan of course attacks, but by God's Grace the growth only continues. God tried to get my attention but it frankly took a health crisis and a partial disability to get me to do what God knew I & Moriel should be doing.

When Deborah Menelaws nearly died in a medical emergency recently, having had that experience myself, I prayed that The Lord would show her mercy and spare her life. God did, but she has had her last warning.

Bal is the Hebrew term for 'husband' and YHWH was to be Israel's 'Bal'. But a false Bal who had the same name mimicked the true Bal. Queen Jezabel was a wicked woman whose husband did not stop her from promoting a false Bal. She died with only her hands and skull in a puddle of blood lapped up by dogs under God's judgment. She misled people into false belief and hated and rampaged against Obadiah, the Sons of The Prophets, and Elijah who opposed her demonic agenda. Promoting the false God the Father of David Nathan who, according to him, is not the creator is no different. Scorn driven rage against those who opposed this lie is the precise character of what Jezabel did as is a husband who facilitates it. The death of Jezabel is what awaits those who imitate Jezabel. When she could not get Naboth's Vineyard she began her rant.

When The Lord removes His Hand from something, it will always self destruct. In the decline, those responsible for the decline will blame everyone other than themselves. When the decline becomes undeniable and they can no longer lie to themselves because reality trumps delusion, they become frantic. Then - all they can do is rant, and rant she shall.

ROSBROUGH & SON

Another ranter with a ministry in visible decline in decline is the Pirate Radio & Fighting 4 Faith the hyper Lutheran figure Chris Rosebrough , and his son & producer Joshua.

Rosbrough teaches that Forgiveness for sin comes from confessing the sins to him Roman Catholic style, to receive 'absolution' from him. He is ecumenically conference partnered with the Roman Catholic activist Matthew Walsh and Rosebrough worships before statues and graven images. He denies a literal antichrist or actual 'mark of the beast' or 3-1/2 years etc. and rejects any prophetic meaning to the Book of Revelation. He also teaches that Satan has been bound and the 1.000-year reign of Christ began 2,000 yea§rs ago at the Ascension of Jesus. He likewise believes in an odd combination of post and premillennialism where the 7 vials of wrath in the Book of Revelation have

always been being poured out. He is a firm believer in communion bread & wine being the 'true Body & Blood' of Christ, and in infant baptism for salvation.

Rosebrough has been collecting slanderous and defamatory material from Menelaws and Bill Randles. He opposes us due to our objections to the false christ never crucified of Doreen Virtue.

In the public domain, are claims by Joshua Rosebrough's first wife of homosexuality that led to the destruction of their marriage (having male to male sex while on a submarine while in the navy, having homosexually contracted STDs and in his own statement in response to his firmer wife & her family, he conspicuously does not deny being a homosexual. There are similar claims of his homosexuality by other Lutheran Refugees from Rosebrough's church. We have no interest in family disputes and we neither affirm or deny the allegations of his very Christian first wife.

The videos of Chris Rosebrough’s outrageous behaviour towards the family of his daughter’s first husband (available on ‘The Devil’s Triangle’ on RTN TV.org) reveal a very troubling calibre of individual that does not befit a Christian, much less a pastor.

The most conspicuous attribute of his activities however is nothing short of shocking. Both father & son are known for their filthy language and vulgarity and posting profanity on the internet, especially the son., but also the father. We apologize in advance for his disgusting content, which is somehow imagined to be 'Christian'.

Their internet material displays what the Rosebroughs in reality are:

BILL RANDLES

The saga of my former friend & colleague Bill Randles is a tragic one. To have his church with all but one of his elders depart quickly on hostile terms, along with his secretary of 25 years. To have seen very nearly all of the young people who grew up in his church from the time they were babies walk out the door in disgust to another church whose pastor Bill Randles denounced as a “psychopath” was ugly. To deliberately drive off church members and long-standing colleagues like myself who had loyally been with him for decades resembled a death wish for his church & ministry. Most of his church left rather suddenly, but the reasons had built up for some time. When the wall is hit, it is hit suddenly and quickly. Angered by the fact that Moriel can no longer organize his itineraries, advertise or promote his meetings, or market his books, he just squawks at us and others from the sidelines for his self inflicted fate.

To remain visible with a low web presence and shrunken profile, Bill Randles has resorted to grasping at straws to attack me to recoup some degree of attention. This is sadly pathetic to watch, so we generally just ignore it. His recent ignorant rants about our evangelistic teaching on The Metatron are instantly discredited by the material posted by Jews For Jesus, One For Israel & Israel College of The Bible, and the book by Rabbi Tzvi Nassi who became a believer.

Bill Randles has no platform in his own country the USA, and now has only a mere vestIge of a church left. He instead ventures further afield as an author to places like Australia where he is represented by a patripassionist/ pneumapassionist heretic who teaches that the 2 witnesses of Revelation Chapter 12 are 'God the Father & The Holy Spirit' who must come in human form as Christ did to Jerusalem to be crucified'. In New Zealand, he is represented by a devotee of Robert Breaker who teaches the Zodiac gospel that the prophecy of Revelation 12 was fulfilled 23rd September 2017 because 'the Moon was in Virgo'. This is what Bill Randles has been reduced to. Interest in his ministry in these other countries has likewise declined conspicuously and there is very little interest in his books. The Lord has removed His Hand from Bill Randles' ministry leaving him a failed pastor and failed author.

Once more, all the desperate can do anymore is rant. Praise The Lord for earplugs.

He establishes what scripture says regards these events, the reality of the situation compared to modern teaching and acceptance. This is a very important teaching, that is not just timely and relevant, it confirms we are not yet in the tribulation but shows God's grace with the warnings we have seen so far, declaring things will only get worse. with short spells of relative normality. Just as you would expect with a mother on labor pains".

As his videos document, Mr. Roseborough's defense of John Mac Arthur's 'Mark of The Beast' teaching, and his support 
of the 'ministry' of Doreen Virtue with the apparition of her "3 D Jesus with the radiating 'sacred heart' but no nail marks", 
was and remains the basis of conflicting opinion as was voiced and video documented by Mr. Roseborough himself.

Once his 'John Mac Arthur Derangement Syndrome' & 'Doreen Virtue' polemics as first raised by Mr. Roseborough are publicly 
debated in front of a live stream camera, we will be utterly delighted to debate the 'Metatron' in Jerusalem. As the headquarters of
'Ha Sochnut' (The Jewish Agency) which determined that Jacob Prasch is of Jewish descent and awarded him an
immigration certificate on that basis, is also located in Jerusalem, it would be an ideal location. The bogus amateur 
Wikipedia Genealogist antics, and fraudulently concocted DNA pie chart (that is not even Jacob's actual personal sample DNA) 
fabricated by Mr. Roseborough can be permanently debunked with a simple visit with two independent witnesses (and if security 
allows - a video recording) to The Jewish Agency. We would look forward to debating the Metatron in this second debate, once the 
original matter publicly presented on Youtube by Mr. Roseborough as the grounds for his contention has been debated first.

Any efforts to circumvent or circumlocute the core issue however by means of changing the narrative, moving the goal post, 
or diverting to another issue in order to avoid the real one as first laid out By Mr., Roseborough, can only be viewed as a 
cowardly sham. We therefore accept the second debate challenge in Jerusalem on The Metatron, after the first debate on 
the very core issues Mr. Roseborough himself first confronted us with in the public arena. We now look forward to not one debate, 
but two. We respectfully propose that the first debate be held in the USA as it would give the most streamed live time accessibility 
to the most viewers.


Moriel/ JJP

Mr. Roseborough embarked on a frantic tirade, first insisting people ignore my opposition to his promotion of Doreen Virtue and her bogus Christophany and his defense of the Mac Arthur 666 teaching which I regard as false. They source of these cult allegations was an agency professing to have no Christian beliefs and representing homosexuals, lesbians, Moslems, Mormons etc. The evidence we provided undermined his claims and he suddenly dropped yelling ‘cult’ and shifted to attacking the evangelistic teaching ‘Metatron’. His attacks are likewise demonstrably devoid of foundation. Next he attacked my ancestry with a lunatic video mixing baseless rubbish with elements of truth. All of this to divert from debating.

The % pie chart he designed is NOT my DNA and I have no ancestors I ever heard of with names such as ‘Gray’ . What I do know is that my own DNA confirms that I am not even 1% German (although I had ancestors who lived in Germany, they were not ethnic German; he seems to try to mislead people by using civil national identity as if it were ethnic). He engages in Wikipedia Genealogy just as he does Wikipedia theology. He admits my original family name is Brasch and that it is Jewish, and that I had a forefather named Jacob (anglicized to James upon immigration to USA, reverting to Jacob or Yakov when I immigrated to Israel as I documented). Somehow he tries to determine that because my ancestors arrived in the USA from one place and not Leipzig where there were a number of Jews named Brasch, that the name does not apply to me. This is of course ridiculous. Since he likes Wikipedia all he needs to do is Google “Brasch’ on Wikipedia to find prominent Jews of that name in Britain, Germany & The USA. He also makes a big deal of burials. In fact NY Mayor Ed Koch (the most famous Jewish politician in American history) is buried in Trinity Church, and many intermarried & assimilated people want burial with their spouses (this is very common and means nothing). I grew up in the Jewish community but never in Judaism (I was Roman Catholic). But after the ‘cult’ claims & Metatron he needs another straw to divert away from the debate. He bickers on line, but no debate.

The absurd and obvious lie of Mr Roseborough however is that a legal Israeli government document I presented on video to show I have 3 names was a form to report & replace my misplaced Israeli ID (I stated on the video that the form was not the certificate). If someone reports a lost license or passport it automatically proves there is an original one. This is common sense. Mr. Roseborough idiotically states that it is an ‘application’ for an Israel immigration certificate. The application process for immigration called aliyah takes about 2 months and requires vetting etc. The ‘sochnut’ (Jewish Agency) which legally determines Jewish identity for civil (non-religious) purposes, issued me an immigration certificate stating Jewish identity ( I was legally declared Jewish because I did not discuss my faith). He said it was like him “applying for a pilot’s license and stating he can fly”. This is lunacy. A legal ID form to report a lost immigration certificate requesting it be replaced is not an application to obtain one. As usual, he is irrational, dishonest, and only trying to avoid debate on the actual issues he is running from. If he wants to examine my ID and DNA report etc., as I offered, all he needs to do is to show up to debate. His genealogy diversion, his Metatron diversion, and his cult leader diversion all prove that he is afraid to debate.

JJ Prasch / Moriel

https://youtu.be/ZfAtmm8aFJ4

Thank you so much!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65NBF2qqYeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9UTID1XJc

I did like David Pawson personally, I usually agreed with him doctrinally, but to me he was more than that. He was truly the last of a dynasty of great British expository preachers dating back through Campbell Morgan, Dr. Martin Lloyds Jones, and all the way back to the era of Charles Spurgeon & JC Ryle.

His teaching ministry was a surviving vestige of an age gone by when Britain was still a Christian Country with an Evangelical heritage that evolved under God's Hand from the Great Revivals of John & Charles Wesley and George Whitfield with hymn composers like Issac Watts and Augustus Toplady and heroic missionaries such as Hudson Taylor and William Carey.

The last British born figure in scriptural exposition of that calibre of gifting has gone to be with The Lord. David was gracious and less confrontational concerning things he knew to be wrong than I would have been. Yet he would speak out when he saw a need to. In this he reminded me of my friend Chuck Smith who is now also awaiting us in Glory with Jesus.

David lived in the emotional pain of having been bereft off his dear daughter and in the closing years of his temporal life was greatly restricted in his mobility. When I last spoke with him by telephone he was bed bound due to his infirmity and advanced age.

Now however, David is living his eternal life with and in the Jesus whom he loved and served, and is now very happily reunited with his beloved daughter and no longer bound by anything.  Despite my sense of loss, In these things I of course rejoice. Miss him we shall, in a separation however that will only be temporary.

From John Bunyan and William Gurnall to CS Lewis, British Christianity produced its authors.
From Richard Baxter to John Newton Britain has produced its pastors. From Stephen Gardner to Clifford Hill Britain has had its voices of warning that some have described as prophetic. From Wycliffe to Tyndale to Coverdale it has produced its textual translators, and it has produced more martyrs than we can readily count. I do not think I am being unduly flattering in
lauding the legacy of David Pawson among the category of the greats whom The Lord raised up in Britain in times past. My only uncertainty is if or not God will send Britain such figures again.

To me, David Pawson will always be fondly remembered as 'The Last of The Mohicans'.

In Jesus,

J. Jacob Prasch
(Moriel Ministries)

Lately, we had assisted and help one of our Kitchen Workers on her ill child. The Doctor's prescription is to undergo EEG Lab. test . Attach is the EEG result. Since ( corona virus ) Covid-19 attack the Philippines, it was last week, the President announced a Community Quarantine for the National Capital Region. after a week there's another announcement that on March 17 the entire Luzon (Olongapo is part of it ) was in state of calamity-Enhance Community Quarantine or lock down until April 13,2020.

• Folks are advised to stay at home
• Observe to do everywhere a meter self distancing.
• Curfew Hour from 8p.m. to 5a.m.
• Prohibited big mass gathering.(we plan not to attend the coming Christian Summer Camp).

etc.

Cleansing and disinfecting the feeding area is one of our routine practice. As our prayers for the safety and good health of the children they must always wash their hands and we spray alcohol. We need to obey the National and City ordinance, the announcement regarding Covid-19. We need to change the procedure of feeding the children, it is just a temporary. We pack the meal then give it to those who come and to those who stay at home we deliver the food. After the lock down period we hope everything will back to normal. We're always praying for your good health together with all Moriel families. May God might always taking care each and every one of us on His loving arms. Thank you so much for all your prayers for us.

Sincerely,

in Christ
Ptr. Paul

These are inescapable issues Moriel and certain others have attempted to address for years.

What is the way forward? How did Jesus tell us to carry out the Great Commission in the Last Days of False Teachers and Deception that He warned would come paving the way for the Anti-Christ and False Prophet prior to His Return?

The unambiguous answer is found in Christ's predictive instruction in The Olivet Discourse, to preach “The Gospel of The Kingdom”, that is to use End Time Prophecy of His Return and the events preceding it as an evangelistic platform to engage the unsaved who turn to demonic nonsense such as horoscopes, clairvoyance, and the occult to know the future when the true knowledge of the future is found in The Word of God. Even non-believers often know something is happening that is historically unique in the way the world is evolving and the pace at which it is happening. It is true believers in Jesus who understand.

Several years ago, I narrated a film project that attempted to achieve these goals. The content, much of it filmed in Israel, was effective. The film served its purpose and it achieved, in a limited way, what I wanted to communicate at the time. However, we are now closer to the Lord's return, as such, we are seeing more and more prophesy coming to pass. We are excited to see how Jesus is fulfilling His word.

For this reason, we have since undertaken a new evangelistic project of our own under the direction of a gifted Christian film maker. The propriety of this will remain in the hands of The Body of Christ, and will not be sold to Hollywood or to Christian persecuting Communist China. We plan, Lord willing to make it available cheaply on DVD, thumb drives, MP4 electronic download and ultimately for free on-line video as well as, God willing, translated into various languages such as Spanish, Mandarin, and others.  We promise The Lord and we promise our prayer partners that this film will be a ministry of, by, and for Jesus. 

The film asks and answers the question: 'Why is the present time in history with its constellation of events different from the other times in Christian history when believers from the Thessalonians to the 19^th Century Millerites and others thought the return of Christ to be impending'?

Our first and biggest request for this project is prayer for The Lord's guidance, and secondly for His provision. Moriel indeed needs and welcomes the contributions of those brethren led by The Lord to help finance this costly project. If you are so led to support this work, you will find a new Donation fund on the Moriel Webstore called “Digital Evangelism Films Fund” But we absolutely covet your prayers. 

You may support this work here

After much searching we've finally found a good place to rent for the Burmese/Shan church.  Jallay has named it Asian Mission Fellowship (AMF).  There were a few other good places to rent, but they were noisy from the road noise.  After the 3rd or 4th day of looking for a place, and after praying, we finally found one that's quiet-- a good distance from the road, but still in a good location.  And, it also has an outdoor area for children to play.

Along the main road there are at least 20 factories with many Burmese and Shan workers.  The first service is scheduled for February 2nd.  Jallay's asked me to give the opening message.  Myanmar has more Christians than Thailand, but it's still a small percentage, and mostly among the hill tribes, not the ethnically Burmese people.

The first contact that Jallay made was with a group of about 50 ethnically Burmese Buddhists.  The focus of this church is mostly evangelistic, but we welcome Christians, too of course.

Please pray for an awakening among the Burmese and Shan workers to come out of pagan darkness and to look to Jesus to be saved.

Thankful for Jesus' triumph over sin and death, Scott.

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This was to be a temporary provision. In compliance with New Zealand law however, Moriel NZ did at this time register with the NZ IRD (tax authority) who backdated our tax obligations to the time of Nigel's departure, and Moriel reported any NZ income to the NZ IND instead of to the Charity Commission.

As a matter of Christian ethics, Moriel offered a return of all donations to our NZ supporters as we were, for legal purposes, technically not operating as a tax deductible charity during the interim period. Generously and graciously however, our NZ Prayer partners understood the transitory circumstances and no one sought any return of contributions to the ministry. Although operated by "remote control" from the Australia branch, Moriel's NZ activities continued temporarily as a satellite of Australia. During this time of course, book sale and other income was for accounting & auditing purposes, (as is legally required,) reported in Australia where Moriel also has a legally registered status.

A new administration is now in place in New Zealand and the New Zealand branch of Moriel is in the process of being fully reactivated and re-registered transiting back to a charity and is no longer a satellite of Moriel Australia, (just as Moriel Canada branch is now independent and no longer a satellite of Moriel USA branch, or as Moriel Ireland branch is now independent and no longer a satellite of the Moriel UK branch).

I posted this on IFB facebook page yesterday, in response to Dave Borlase and his false and slanderous statement regarding Jacob Prasch. He has taken it down straight away, and removed his personal page and restricted the IFB page so I cannot reply. I am therefore posting this wherever I can so that people can see how despicable Dave Borlase is. "Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile" Psalm 34:13

His allegations are nothing more than gossip fuelled by an inability to refute the heretical teaching of David Nathan and put the word of GOD first. This alone disbars him from the office of Pastor. Anyone never mind a Christian leader who resorts to malicious gossip in an effort to attack someone else is beyond contempt. The fact it comes from a pastor and a ministry leader should sound the alarm bells far and wide. "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers" Ephesians 4:29

Dave has been totally dishonest and fickle throughout, simply to try and claim some limelight for himself and big up his ego.

Dave, what a coward you have proven to be. You issue unsubstantiated allegations and sit quietly for your moment for the spotlight to shine on you. "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:20-23

Dave, you have become a gossip, and hide behind the statement "we have decided" when the reality it is Dave who wants revenge. I will never forget the underhand and deceitful way you published the original comments then, removed and denied what you had done.

You asked me to remove my rebuttal of your actions and lies from Facebook during the David Nathan sage, as you were concerned the harm it would do you and IFB.

In the spirit brotherly love, I did so hoping you would reconsider and use what common sense and decency you had. I removed the comments and thought nothing more of it.

Arrangements were made for meeting for reconciliation. You had called for this on several occasions, but each time arrangements were being made, you made demands. You wanted to be in charge. This bounced back and forward, with CMFI trying to oil the process and assist where they could. You just cancelled for reasons only known to you.

Even when offered by Jacob to meet with you personally and buy you lunch you still found a way to avoid the meetings you demanded.

Let the Muslim Council of Britain first condemn the actions of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's role in the holocaust before jumping onto a popular bandwagon at this point, because the Labour Party has been hijacked by Islamists and it is the reason for Jeremy Corbyn counting on the Muslim's voting block to ignore blatant Muslim hijacking of the Labour Party to impose a culture of antisemitism, hatred of Jews, anti-Israel and anti-Zionism in the Labour Party.

The root of antisemitism in the Labour Party comes from this Muslim hijacking of Labour. It must not be swept under the carpet, as the role played by the Grand Muffti of Jerusalem during the holocaust, which has remained ignored that the Muslims were as guilty as Adolph Hitler. They should not just pretend and blame it on Jeremy Corbyn. Although Jeremy Corbyn is antisemite, and Muslims have exploited it for their benefits when they hijacked the Labour Party. Both are not different from the other, as Hajimi Al-Alhusseini was the tail, and Adolph Hitler was the head of a penny coin.

These two are not better than the other. Birds of the same feathers flocks together. No whitewash of their culpability should be ignored. They drove Jews out of the Labour Party. The slogan was Jews and Bible-Christians out of the Labour Party… Muslims take over. Therefore, any vote for the Labour Party, is a vote for ISLAM, sharia, and Islamisation of Great Britain. That is the agenda of MCB. They should not pretend, they hound with the DEVIL in the wee hours of the night, and come out publicly to weep with the bereaved, they murdered in the secret.

Fred was one of the most generous, self giving, and radically evangelistic brothers in Christ we have ever been blessed in knowing. For those who didn't know him, Fred was often described as a 'Saved Version of Fred Flintstone'. That was an apt description of his temperament, personality, and humour. Fred was a hard-working businessman in sports facility construction, a leader of a house fellowship, and a loyal friend & brother who loved The Lord and His Word and  carried a zeal to proclaim the gospel of salvation to Jews, tribal Africans, Muslims, or to anyone. While we of course celebrate Fred's home-coming to be with The Lord until we meet him again with Christ,  for we who remain , it will not be easy to get use to Fred being away until the Millennial Reign off Christ. It is for the time being a sad event as well as a joyous one. Fred was saved out of horse race gambling and devoted the rest of his life to serving Jesus and preaching the gospel. His kindness to the Ebyown HIV orphans will be particularly remembered as well as his staunch opposition to false doctrine and scripturally improper practices within the church. The Body of Christ in South Africa has lost a faithful voice and we have , how be it temporarily, lost a comrade in Christ and a true friend.

We particularly pray for Fred's English wife of many years Wendy and their children and grandchildren, especially Fred's son Lee to whom leadership of the Home Fellowship will fall.

We loved Fred and shall miss him dearly - but because of Jesus, not permanently.

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1. The whole speculation by Peter Danzey that it is “probable” that the two witnesses of Rev 11 are the Father and the Holy Spirit (I don’t know of anyone else who has suggested this interpretation) is founded on multiple unproven assumptions and biblically inconsistent interpretations.
   
   
2. “Out of themselves” in Zech 4:12 cannot be proven from the Hebrew. When the various versions of the Bible are not in agreement on how to translate this phrase, it is better left alone, rather than basing an entire dogmatic doctrine on a “maybe/unlikely” rendering of the Hebrew.  That is a bad foundation to begin with.  The ESV for example, omits this phrase…
   KJV: Zec 4:12  And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 
   ESV: Zec 4:12  And a second time I answered and said to him, “What are these two branches of the olive trees, which are beside the two golden pipes from which the golden oil is poured out?” 
   
   If I pour oil out of myself, it still does not mean that I am the ultimate source of that oil (what do I have that I did not receive--- I Cor 4:7).  But, there are still many versions that don’t have that “out of themselves” rendering.  The Luther Bible doesn’t, and the Schlachter version of the German, also doesn’t.  To make a dogmatic stand on a controversial, and improbable rendering is not a good foundation for a doctrine.  Brenton’s English Septuagint doesn’t have it-- modern versions like the ESV and CEV, and even the NKJV don’t have it.
   
   The two words in question are in the Strong’s numbers H4480 and  H5921; both of which are vague and multi-meaning words.  We could not dogmatically take these as saying that the source is out of themselves.
   
   
3. Why would two divine theophanies need to be given anything or empowered? When comparing Zech 4 with Rev 11:3, instead of having the source of oil “out of themselves,” in Rev 11:3, the two witnesses are empowered/granted authority by the Lord.  This would be totally unnecessary if they were self-sufficient beings having the oil flowing “out of themselves.”  Rev 11:3 thus renders the “out of themselves”/divine witnesses viewpoint invalid.  
   
   
4. It assigns an insulting name to the Father and the Holy Spirit: To call the Father and the Holy Spirit “sons of oil” (The literal Hebrew rendering from Zechariah 4:14) doesn’t seem very honorific.  Here instead of being the source of the oil, they are in a subservient role to the oil, being “sons”—which is also another point against “out of themselves.”
   
   Zec 4:14  Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones [sons of oil] who stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” 
   
   Keil and Delitzsch write, “…the two sons of oil, that is to say, the representatives of the kingdom and priesthood, the divinely appointed organs through which the Spirit of God was communicated to the covenant nation.”
   
   
5. The verse people love to quote in this chapter is, “…Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.” In the divine witnesses interpretation of the Father and Holy Spirit providing oil, this should be “but by my spirit and by the Father.” In that interpretation the suppliers of the oil are the Father and the Spirit.  So, why is only the Spirit mentioned here, as the supplier in Zech 4:6?
   
   
6. Peter Danzey thinks that the Menorah in Zech 4 represents the Word of God, and that the olive branches supplying it are thus divine. Most Christian commentators would see the Menorah as Israel, and the two olive branches as two anointed representatives of Israel in leadership roles.  We see clearly in the book of Revelation that the candlesticks are the seven churches.  The same Greek word that is used in Rev 1, is the same Greek word that is used in Rev 11 of the two witnesses.  Regardless of the numbers—whether 7 or 2, etc. we see that they are members of the Church.  This shines light on the Zech 4 passage as well.  If the candlesticks are the Church in the NT, then the logical counterpart to this in the OT is Israel, not the Word of God as some commentators assert.  Thus Israel was being supplied by the two “sons of oil” or anointed ones—the representatives of God who were anointed, namely the king and the priest, who in turn were empowered by the Holy Spirit.  Please see Appendix A for commentators who see the Candlestick/ Menorah as Israel.
   
   
7. In the book of Zech we had ONE candlestick and TWO olive trees. But now in Rev we have TWO of each.  The TWO olive trees are a constant factor, which I believe to be “the representatives of the kingdom and priesthood [e.g. Zerubbabel and Joshua; Moses and Aaron; etc.]” in the words of the German commentators (and also in most Christian commentaries—not that commentaries are without fault, but let everything be confirmed by two or three witnesses—and all the more so if they are believers in the Messiah).  Why only one candlestick in Zech 4 if it represents God’s Word, but then two candlesticks in Rev 11—does it then represent the two testaments of the Word of God?  But, this is not consistent with what the book of Revelation itself says the candlesticks represent (Revelation 1:20).  If the Father and the Holy Spirit are both taking on the name “the Word of God” in Rev 11 (which is the name used by Jesus, so that is unwarranted), why were there not two candlesticks in Zech 4 (another inconsistency in this speculation built on many assumptions).  
   
   
8. Jesus' incarnation was prophesied hundreds of times in the Old Testament. If the Father and Holy Ghost are to be incarnated as the two witnesses, why are there no prophecies of this?  "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."  (Amos 3:7)
   
   
9. When was the Father ever sent in the Bible? In Revelation 11:10 the two witnesses are also called the two prophets.  True prophets are always sent by God.  In the Bible we have verses about Jesus being sent (Luke 4:18), and the Holy Ghost being sent for believers (John 15:26), but we do not see the Father ever being sent.  Also, although Jesus was called a prophet (Matthew 13:57; 14:5; 21:11; 21:46; Luke 7:16; 13:33; 24:19; John 4:19; 6:14; 7:40; 9:17), we do not see the Holy Ghost or the Father being called a prophet.  In Deuteronomy 18:18, we are to expect only one prophet who is "like unto Moses," which is Jesus, not three prophets like unto Moses.        
   
   
10. Rev 11 should be compared with Zech 2-4, not just 4 (no chapter breaks in the original texts). Taking the two olive trees and the two candlesticks to be two human representatives of the Church and Israel, just as Joshua and Zerubbabel were in the context of Zech chapters 2-4, considering that Zech 2 starts with "measuring" and Zech 4 ends with the two olive trees/branches, just as Rev 11:1 starts with "measuring" and continues with talking about the two olive trees. So, taking chapters 2-4 as one "unit" would include both Joshua and Zerubbabel in the topic at hand.  Why eliminate or ignore Joshua and Zerubbabel’s role in the context of Zech 2-4, since the majority of Christian commentators point to them as fulfilling the meaning of the olive trees?
    
    
11. Also, in the Bible God is not the Olive Tree, which the End Times Double Theophany view implies, but Israel is (Rom 11). There are no verses in the Bible comparing God to an olive tree, but there are verses comparing Israel or members of Israel to an olive tree.
    
    David compares himself to an olive tree:  Psa_52:8  But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
    
    Jacob under judgment was like the shaking of an olive tree:  Isa 17:6  Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel. 
    
    The people of Judah and Jerusalem were called an olive tree:  Jer 11:16  The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken. 
    
    Israel’s beauty shall be as the olive tree:  Hos 14:5-6  I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.  His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon. 
    
    In Romans 11 Israel is the olive tree into which believers in the Messiah are grafted in.
    
    
12. If the End Times Double Theophany doctrine about Rev 11 is correct, which I don’t think it is, then why not just teach it openly, putting the sermon online? With any other biblical doctrine, preachers teach it openly. The fact that this has been kept somewhat secret, for five years or however long this has been believed, should say something (red flag).  It is a strange doctrine, and would rightly get a lot of naysayers from among biblically minded Christians if it were put on YouTube.  But, I’m actually glad a sermon of Rev 11 hasn’t been put online, because it would just cause confusion, instead of building people up with sound doctrine.
    
    
13. An End Times Double Theophany COULD NOT EVEN be considered a “type” of the Genesis 18-19 Abraham visitation (which in itself has not been proven to be a visitation by the trinity—most Christian scholars see this as Jesus appearing with two angels). In Rev 11 we don’t see three visitors--- which would be required to call this following a previous “type,” but rather only two visitors. So, Gen 18-19 is in a totally different category than Rev 11.
14. Also, in the incarnation of Jesus, the entire trinity was already involved—The Holy Spirit was present with Jesus, empowering Him for ministry, and Jesus listened to the Father’s voice, acting in accordance to His will. Why is there any need for the Father and Holy Spirit to come again separately in the role of prophets who are slain? This is not prophesied, nor is it foreshadowed in typology, nor is it in keeping with the consistently biblical roles within the trinity.
    
15. When does God the Father ever appear in a theophany in the Bible? We don’t see this. “Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father” (John 6:46).  Exodus 23:20 has been suggested by Peter Danzey, but this is an assumption without warrant.  Taking the entire context of that verse, beginning with Exodus chapter 19, we see that the Lord did come down (Jesus), but that the law was spoken “from heaven” (Exodus 20:22).  Whenever in the Bible we see the Lord speaking from heaven, it is usually the Father.  Even if he was speaking with Moses on the mountain, it does not mean that he was physically present.  God the Father is omnipresent, but His “base of operations” so to speak, is in heaven (“Our Father which are in heaven” --Matthew 6:9).
    
    In modern terms I could say that I hear someone’s voice from America, even though I live in Thailand.  Someone from America could call me on the phone, and though they are not physically present with me, I can hear their voice.  God’s “technology” is far beyond that, and He can speak “from heaven” even if He is not theophonically present.  Please see Appendix B.
16. In Rev 11:8, the KJV says “our Lord,” but many modern versions say “their Lord.” This is a debatable point based on which Greek texts are used, but if the modern texts are correct then it would be strange for “their Lord” to be in reference to the Father and Holy Spirit, meaning that Jesus would be the Lord of the Father and Holy Spirit. The final verse of Zech 4 in both Hebrew and in the LXX indicates that the Two are distinct from The Lord and not The Lord (lending credence to the translation of Rev 11:3 'their Lord'). However, Peter Danzey (although not KJV-only) believes that the Textus Receptus is more accurate, and doesn’t claim that the two witnesses called Jesus “their Lord.” 
17. The commentators Meyer and Bengel think that the two witnesses of Rev 11 will be crucified (please see Appendix C). This is definitely a possibility, but all of the other commentaries I checked do not mention this, and of note, none of the English translations say that the witnesses will be crucified. So, it is a possibility, but not an irrefutable point, seeing the way Greek scholars have omitted this in translating it into English.  Also, Peter Danzey’s particular view says the witnesses will be slain, but not crucified.  He thinks they will be slain, but that this is in no way related to the atonement.  He believes Jesus fully accomplished the atonement already. 
    
    
18. Why do the two witnesses in Rev 11:7 need to be killed by the beast? When Jesus became a man his death had a redemptive purpose. What is the purpose of the beast getting victory over the Father and the Holy Ghost?  Is it to fill up the people’s sins so that the full wrath of God can be poured out?  I don't see that as a satisfactory answer, because people already have plenty of sins and blasphemies without this one.  When some of Jesus’ disciples were crucified they proved their faithfulness and also confirmed the witness they gave about Jesus’ life.  But, what possible purpose could there be in the death of the Father and the Holy Spirit?  This is a strange doctrine that would give the enemies of the Jesus much fodder for accusation (Muslims already stumble at hearing that Jesus died on the cross, but that one is very much explainable).
    
    
19. Why would the Father and HS come in the character of Moses and Elijah? Moses said God would raise up a prophet like unto me (not three prophets like unto me).
20. Producing uncertainty in the Word of God: In the message, “Angels On Earth” by Peter Danzey (May 5^th, 2019), (Peter Danzey thinks Genesis 18 and 19 are related to the Rev 11 “probable” theophanies) at the 1:02 min. mark said, “Now, there is no doubt that there are some oddities if they are created angels, right? There are oddities, but if they are all Yahweh, there’s not one oddity.”
    
    If someone does not agree with the assumptions made in the previous message, it could leave them wondering if there are oddities in the Word of God.  Please see Appendix D for just a few of the assumptions made in that message. 

Appendix A

What Does the Menorah Represent?

1. In Rev 11:3-4 each of the two witnesses represents both an olive tree and a candlestick.
2. Rev 1:20 clearly states what category the candlestick belongs to—the Church. In that sense the two witnesses are members of Jesus’ Church having this characteristic as part of being a candlestick symbolically.
3. The witnesses are also represented by an olive tree, which in Scripture is overwhelmingly Israel or a member of Israel.
4. The two witnesses are thus members of both the Church and Israel—in other words they are Jewish Christians.
5. In the book of Revelation, the candlestick (Menorah) is in the category of the Church. The counterpart to this in the OT is Israel.  In Zech 4, there is only ONE candlestick (Israel), whereas in the NT, there are TWO, representing both Israel and the Church.
   
   

Why quote from Jewish commentators who think otherwise, when many of the Jews did not even recognize their own Messiah?  Commentators who have accepted their Messiah whether Jewish or Gentile, and who have the full light of the NT to understand the OT have greater authority here.  Christian commentators who say the Menorah is Israel… 

John Gill says, “This candlestick was set in the holy place, on the south side of it, opposite the shewbread table, Exo_26:35 and was typical of the church of God; so the candlesticks John had a vision of signify seven churches, Rev_1:13, the general use of which is, to hold forth light put into it, for it has none of itself, but what is put there by Christ…”

Keil and Delitzsch say, “As the Israelites were to prepare spiritual food in the shew-bread in the presence of Jehovah…. so also were they to present themselves continually to Jehovah in the burning lamps, as the vehicles and media of light, as a nation letting its light shine in the darkness of this world…. By the power of this Spirit, Israel, in covenant with the Lord, was to let its light shine, the light of its knowledge of God and spiritual illumination, before all the nations of the earth. In its seven arms the stamp of the covenant relationship was impressed upon the candlestick…. the olive-trees [of Zech 4] are the two sons of oil, that is to say, the representatives of the kingdom and priesthood, the divinely appointed organs through which the Spirit of God was communicated to the covenant nation [Israel, the Menorah].”

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says, “In Zechariah's vision of the golden candlestick (Zec_4:2), the seven lamps are fed by two olive trees which are interpreted to be “the two anointed ones,” Zerubbabel and Joshua - the civil and spiritual representatives of theocracy. The candlestick here, like the seven candlesticks in Rev_1:20, 21, symbolizes the church of God, then in its Old Testament form, the idea conveyed being that God's church is set to be a lightgiver in the world.”

Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown in their comment on Zech 4:2, say, “candlestick — symbolizing the Jewish theocracy; and ultimately, the Church of which the Jewish portion is to be the head: the light-bearer…”

The Cambridge Bible commentary says, “…the work in which he [Zerubbabel] was engaged, of restoring the material Temple and setting the golden candlestick in its place again, and so preparing the way, first for the Jewish Church, and then for the Christian Church, which that candlestick symbolised(Rev_1:20), to shine in the world, should be accomplished, not by human resources, but by the Spirit of God…”

Joseph Benson says, “And I said, Behold a candlestick of gold — This represented the church of God, Jewish and Christian, set up for the enlightening of this dark world, by diffusing the light of divine truth.”

The Sermon Bible says, “By the candelabrum was symbolised the Israelitish community, the nation of the old covenant, the people of theocracy. But Israel was itself a symbol and type; it was the visible manifestation of that invisible spiritual community, the Church of the living God, which embraces the faithful of all ages and places. It is represented as made of the most precious of metals, pure gold, to indicate the worth and excellence of that which God hath chosen for Himself as His special treasure; and it is represented as having seven lamps, to indicate that the Church is a luminous body, having light in itself, and appearing as the luminary from which proceeds light to the world.”

Nelson’s Complete Book of Bible Maps and Charts equates the lampstand of Zech 4 to Israel.

Bill Randles in the book “God Remembers:  The Visions and Words of the Prophet Zechariah,” says, “The candlestick is the symbol of the role of Israel as the witness to the Gentiles, and to the glory of the only true God.  Israel was the original ‘city of a hill’ referred to in the Sermon on the Mount.  Isaiah and Micah both feature visions of the nations streaming to Zion to come into the light of God’s salvation.”

Appendix B

Our Father Which Art in Heaven

In the book of Matthew especially there is an emphasis on God the Father being in heaven.  This is stated fifteen times in the book of Matthew!  We are supposed to direct our prayers to our Father in heaven (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2).  In both the OT and the NT we see that God spoke from heaven and heard prayers from heaven.  Four times it’s stated by Solomon that heaven is God’s dwelling place from which God would hear prayer—this is recorded twice so that it’s actually stated eight times in the Bible (I Kings 8 and 2 Chronicles 6).

Using the same two Hebrew words as in Solomon’s prayer (“shamayim” and “yashab”), God the Father is said to be sitting in the heavens and then setting His king (Jesus) on Zion (Psalm 2:4-6).  Twenty times in Scripture, God is called “the God of heaven.”

God sent rain from heaven, sometimes stopped the rain from heaven, looked down from heaven, sent bread from heaven, etc.

Voice From Heaven

God spoke to the children of Israel from heaven.  Moses was not excluded from this conversation in Exodus 20:22.  We consistently see especially in the NT, God the Father speaking from heaven.  God told Moses in Exodus 19:11 to get the people ready, because the Lord would be coming down (Just as in the NT Jesus is the One who declares and shows the ways of the Father, so in the OT, Jesus also did—John 1:18). 

In the book of John, it is said eight times that Jesus “came down/cometh down” from heaven.  We see various other times that Jesus “went down” in the OT, such as to the tower of Babel (Gen 11:5), to Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 18:21, which he did do before sending judgement in Gen 19:24).  And, it makes sense that in Exodus 3:8; 19:11; 19:18; 19:20 and 34:5, it is also Jesus, the Lord, who came down, not the Father.  The Father’s voice was heard from heaven, which is clearly stated in Ex 20:22, just as in modern times a person may call a friend half way around the world, and that friend can hear their voice, even if they are not physically present. 

We see consistently in Scripture that Jesus is the One who comes down in physical form and declares the ways of the Father, both in the OT and the NT, and that the Father operates from heaven, though He is omnipresent, just as Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also.

The Father Speaking From Heaven

---Exo 20:22  And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 

---Neh 9:13  Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 

---2Sa 22:14  The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. 

---Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

---Mar 1:11  And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

---Luk 3:22  And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 

---Joh 12:28  Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 

---2Pe 1:17  For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

2Pe 1:18  And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 

---Rev 10:4  And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 

---Rev 11:12  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 

---Rev 14:2  And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 

---Rev 14:13  And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 

---Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 

Fire From Heaven

Seeing that consistency in Scripture, it also makes sense that it was Jesus who visited Abraham on earth, and who was overseeing the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah on earth, while God the Father was in heaven:

--- Gen 19:24  Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 

---2Ki 1:10;12;14…Fire fell twice, consuming those coming to get Elijah

---1Ch 21:26…on an altar David built to show him favor 

---2Ch 7:1…on the sacrifices made by Solomon, showing him favor

---Rev 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 

Appendix C

Commentators Who Think The Two Witnesses Will Be Crucified

Meyer wrote, “Again, the text itself shows this, partly by the καὶ before ὁ κύρ. αὐτ., partly by the expression ὁ κύρ. αὐτων. Both belong inwardly together; as the two witnesses, so also their Lord was there slain, crucified; the servants have suffered the same thing as their[2879] Lord.[2880] This is accordingly made prominent, because from this it becomes clear that the antichristian enmity of the great city remains always the same; with the same hatred as that wherewith they formerly once brought the Lord there to the cross, they now slay the two witnesses just because they are his witnesses.”

Bengel wrote, “In the text they are not said to lie. What, if you should suppose that they will be suspended, as their Lord also was suspended from the cross?.... Whether the city has the place of the cross within the walls at the present day, or has not (for travellers are at variance with one another, and those who deny it, do so with far greater appearance of truth), at the time of the witnesses, at least, it will undoubtedly have the place of the cross in the street, either within the walls or without”

Appendix D

The message, “Angels On Earth” (May 5^th, 2019) by Peter Danzey contains numerous assumptions.  The following is not a comprehensive list, just a few randomly chosen:

---“Malak” almost certainly means a divine being?

In Gen 19:1 two angels went down to Sodom (Malak- messenger/angel can be the angel of the Lord—Jesus.  But often times Malak is used in the OT not referring to a divine being at all—almost half of the times the KJV translates Malak it is messenger[s], ten times it’s used of angels plural and about five times of ambassadors—we cannot assume the use of Malak to mean a divine person).  Even if we limit the search to only the Pentateuch, which is an unreasonable limitation when we’re looking for the possible meanings of the word—the Pentateuch uses this word 39 times, 9 of which do not mean a divine being, and 4 of which are debatable (in the message only 3 uses of “Malak” are mentioned which are “ambiguous”).  To look only at the cases where “Malak” is a Christophany, and ignore literally over a hundred uses of “Malak” biases the hearers unreasonably. 

---The Hebrew word “shachah” (H7812) can only mean worship?

When Lot bowed to the ground before the two angels in Gen 19:1, it doesn't necessarily mean worship, as it could be a cultural practice of just honor, submission, and respect.  Using the same Hebrew word as in Gen 19:1, Jacob bowed to the ground before Esau in Gen 33:3, Ruth bowed to the ground before Boaz in Ruth 2:10, and the same is true of David before Jonathan, Abigail before David, and others.

---Only God can close the door?

We have angels opening doors in the NT.  Why can they not close a door if God commands them to this task?

---Angels cannot eat with people?

What verse prohibits this?

---God does not consult with people/angels (Gen 18:17-19)?

Jesus consulted with His disciples before feeding the masses miraculously.  Did He need to?  No, He didn’t.  He also asked other people questions of which He already knew the answer.  So, it’s not out of character in Gen 18 if these are angels Jesus is talking to.

---Angels cannot deviate from previous instructions (Gen 19:2-3; 17-22).

This assumes we know what the instructions were, which we don’t.  If a man sells some land, and goes through an agent, leaving the agent in charge and telling him you can lower the cost by xxxxx dollars if need be, the agent is still faithful if he sells the land on behalf of the man, lowering the cost to within what he specified.  Likewise God could have given instructions with caveats, knowing what Lot would ask for.  If the two “angels” are God, the following verse does not sound very sovereignly authoritative:  Gen 19:22  “Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.”

This message is a stepping stone to the Rev 11 double theophanies proposed by Peter Danzey, but a case that is based on unproven assumptions is not very convincing.  I didn’t take a lot of time to look into every point, but just the fact that there are the above unproven assumptions shows that it’s not a slam dunk case, especially when most Christian commentators would see Gen 18-19 as a theophany of Jesus appearing with two angels. 

The continued support and promotion by Bill Randles of various false teachers of serious false doctrines that Moriel finds heretical are of great concern to the Moriel board.

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The only commentaries on the inter-testamental apocryphal literature of which I am familiar are lexical commentaries focused on Greek grammar, vocabulary, and syntax .

As with the Septuagint, (LXX) , apocryphal literature is of value in understanding the New Testament in terms of literature and history. Unlike the LXX however, it is not canon and thus not a basis of doctrine.

Such books assist in understanding New Testament books from a literary and historical perspective which in turn as exegetical supppament, indirectly contributes to our grasp of doctrine.

Jesus for instance observed Chanukah in John chapter 10 ( translated ‘Feast of Dedication’). He knew and accepted that the prophetic predictions of Daniel have their fulfillment recorded in The Apocryphal books of I & II Maccabees, not in scripture. In the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24 additionally, Jesus made it clear that the partially fulfilled predictions of Daniel with the ‘Abomination of Desolations' recorded in the Apocrypha was a type of the future apocalyptic prophetic predictions of the antichrist in The Book of Revelation and in 2 Thessalonians.

Thus, it is biblically important history necessary to comprehend future prophecy. 

Enoch is cited in the Epistle of Jude. One of the features most important about Enoch is that it is the Literary primer for the Book of Revelation showing how the literary genre of Hebrew apocalyptic literature from Daniel, Zechariah, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc, is translated into Greek apocalyptic and vocabulary 

where Sheol becomes hades, Leviathan becomes Apollyon etc. From a literary viewpoint, Enoch helps us make sense of certain Gospel portions , sections of Peter’s epistles, of Jude, and again The Book of Revelation in light of the Old Testament.

From a historical aspect, Enoch bears similarities to the Book of Jasher , to the ‘Antiquities’ of Josephus, and to certain early Mishnaic writings from early Mishna . In the Book of Acts for instance at Stephen’s apology in Acts 7 he begins with the saga of the Patriarch Abraham not in Haran where Genrsus commences it, but in Ur of the Chaldees. In Timothy Pail informs us that the names of Pharaoh’s magicians in Exodus were Janus and Jambres. In other words, The New Testament tells us that there were historical facts of some theological importance that , as with the story of the Maccabees, were recorded outside of the canon of scripture but which are necessary to correctly understand scripture. Another short Treatise like this is The Didache.

What is important to remember is that such books are of literary and historical value in contributing to properly interpreting The Word of God, but on their own are not a basis of doctrinal theology.

The only apocryphal commentaries I would have had use for are lexical academic commentaries of little use to readers not knowing Hebrew, Aramaic. and Greek. If you are competent in biblical languages however, please get back to us and I will suggest a few lexical commentaries. Not to sound arrogant, however the likelihood is that if you know biblical languages, you went to seminary and do not need to ask me what you already know. Therefore I assume you do not read biblical languages which the most serious commentaries on apocryphal books essentially require. 

In Jesus,

Jacob Prasch / Moriel

Moriel TV has already ceased commenting on the David Nathan issue and we have ceased responding to his proponents and defenders such as Deborah and Stuart Menelaws though we stand by the factual accuracy of what had been reported.We reject as hyperbolic nonsense the hideous demands of Graham Baldwin & his Catalyst organization and the Menelaws of GV 24/7 framed in language that may legally constitute blackmail and urging litigation against us.

According to their website, Baldwin's 'Catalyst' "have no religious beliefs" and will represent anyone of any religion (Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist), or of any sexual orientation (heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian) claiming religious abuse for the suggested contribution of 50 British Pounds per hour, and say they are not a 'Christian' organization of saved believers in Christ.

Jacob Prasch moreover is not even on Social Media and is therefore in no position to 'e-stalk' or harass anyone. As the ROKU financial report of Moriel shows, no wages for Jacob Prasch appear in the audits of Moriel UK because Jacob does not receive any, nor any royalties, and all of our recorded materials are freely available at no cost on the Internet. We invite anyone to download any material of Moriel or Jacob Prasch free of charge, only requesting it not be edited or commercially sold. Giving it away is encouraged. Sadly however, contrary to our wishes, the Menelaws continue to commercially sell filmed material featuring Jacob Prasch.

Emails sent by us in response to vitriolic attacks against Moriel Ministries and Jacob Prasch claimed to be abusive by Mr. Baldwin and Menelaws have notably not been produced by them, essentially because read in context such do not exist. These are merely replies to hostile attacks upon us including libelous allegations of mental illness. Claims that expert opinion in documentaries are not paid is denied by the BBC & UK Channel 4, and the 'Daniel Connection' in which Jacob Prasch and other Christians appeared unsalaried was a movie with a plot and acting, not a documentary, and as reported, was commercially sold to Hollywood and to China. Unlike Moriel which publishes its audited financial records, the Menelaw's operations have not.

Moriel has declined to reply to more recent emails by David Nathan and Deborah Menelaws who seem pointlessly intent on keeping this monster alive. All that needs to be established doctrinally and otherwise has been stated and re-stated already and we do not intend to be participants in this Christ dishonoring religious charade triggered by such heresy as 'God The Father not being Creator', and those who defend such lies. For us it has been over for weeks.

Others wishing to drag it out, will continue to be ignored. while acting on behalf of Menelaws in a video produced by Menelaws we have been pronounced as 'unbelievers & pagan' by 'Catalyst', themselves professing to hold 'no religious beliefs' . They have threatened us with suing in rejection of 1 Corinthians 6, yet we challenge anyone to produce documented evidence that we, (or the threat victim Jacob Prasch), have ever threatened anyone. We have meanwhile thanked Bill Randles for his apologetic removal of a blog critical of Moriel & Jacob.

Sincerely,

Moriel Board

In the fall of 2018 David Nathan was dismissed from Moriel Ministries due to heretical teachings that included the affirmation that the blood of animals would atone for sin in the millennium apart from the blood of Christ and that believers can prescriptively anoint clothing with divine power for healing, going so far as to cite examples of people being “slain in the spirit” as a result of touching his jacket and tie quite as a matter of fact. He is on record as saying there will come a time when, “…the blood of Jesus Christ will not profit anyone anything.” There is no possible reality in which this statement is true. It is a demonstrable heresy that denies the gospel and every book of the bible in some way. In the wake of his dismissal, many were confused and upset. One such individual was Graham Baldwin who claims to have began independently “watching” the situation as he is supposedly a cult “expert”. Baldwin has produced a 3-part yellow journalism entry that sounds about as personal as any attack could. This so-called cult “expert” claims that Jacob Prasch is under investigation, but is he really?

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Her mother is quite ill and now suffers with dementia. She doesn’t know any believers nearby to fellowship; please contact Moriel & Marg if you are a believer and can offer some fellowship

We specifically refer to internet posted material by the Catalyst organisation acting in apparent concert with the 'My Organizer' business enterprise of Stuart & Debora Menelaus of Fife, Scotland operating variously under the names of Bethel Communications and GV 24/7. Along with the continuing diatribe by someone using the pseudonym tbckwaii. Who does not have the credibility or courage to disclose who he really is.

We first of all note that the claim that Moriel is under investigation is in itself devoid of substance as there is and has been no investigation, criminal or otherwise, by any government , police, or judicial agency. It is a contrived and defamatory assertion. intended to give Catalyst kudos but shows them to be rather inept and foolish.

As senior police detectives we fundamentally reject such assertions directed against the Moriel Ministry and against Jacob Prasch as  bogus and having no merit nor actual evidence. We have all known Jacob Prasch personally and are well familiar with Moriel for a number of years and any inordinate activity either personal or financial would have been recognized by us, and detected by any police investigator over a period of time. There has been none however. From the perspective of a police investigation, these allegations appear manufactured and meritless and personally vindictive using immature bullying and harassment tactics falsely portrayed as qualified superiority. From the initial leading of the witness David Nathan on the GV247 program to the continued use of hearsay and conjecture by Catalyst, they have only made themselves look vindictive and motivated by spite. There is no evidence that would pass any criminal or civil threshold test, and they know it, otherwise they would have handed it over to a statutory authority .There is no justifiable or evidential basis for this continued attack by supposed Christian brethren harassment; there is nothing established on the basis of  any verifiable fact.

Such defamatory claims moreover are readily off-set by a range of witnesses intimately familiar with Moriel and its director whose testimonies are uniformly an endorsement of honesty and good character.

It is our assessment as senior investigating police detectives from three different nations with lifetime careers investigation crime and fraud that no credible police agency or jurisdiction would lend credence to the demonstrably contorted insinuations and character assassination attempts found in these unsubstantiated charges aimed at Moriel Ministries and against Jacob Prasch. His integrity remains secure, but that of the afore mentioned must be considered tarnished.

Sincerely,

Sergeant Amos Farrell
Sr. Investigating Detective (ret.)
Scotland Yard
London, UK

Captain Michael Benade
Commanding Police Detective (ret.)
South Africa Police

Sergeant Michael Keaney
Senior Detective - Investigator
New Zealand Police

1. We would, in the first instance, encourage all interested parties to revisit Scriptures relating to the resolution of disputes, to matters of church discipline, and of dealing with false doctrine, in particular: Matthew 18:15-17; Romans 16:17,18; Galatians 6:1; 1Corinthians 6:1-8; 2Timothy 2:23-26; James 4:11; 2John: 9-11.
2. CMFI remains of the opinion that central to, and at the core of this dispute, remains the questionable teaching of David Nathan. Had Mr. Nathan responded quickly and privately to requests to clarify certain aspects of his doctrine, it is likely that the situation would not have escalated to current levels. Much of that which has followed has been a deflection away from the issue of doctrine to become an issue of behaviour. Whereas neither bad doctrine nor bad behaviour is condoned, many have lost sight of the fundamental issue at the core of the dispute.
3. In regard to bad behaviour, a difficulty in dealing with the ongoing dispute is that this is, for many of us, the first time we have had to process such a dispute taking place in such an open public forum, so widely available to many. The fact that opportunity exists to make derogatory and defamatory statements in a wide range of media, does not necessarily make it right to do so. The anonymity, easy access, and availability of a platform afforded by the internet is no excuse to disregard the authority of the Bible. There is much comment on this dispute, posted on the internet purporting to be godly, made by those who have not in every instance sought to follow Biblical procedure.
4. In regard to the internet and social media aspect of this dispute, CMFI is aware that certain of it's members, actively involved in Moriel Ministries, have previously offered to remove all inflammatory content from those sites for which it is responsible. In return, request was made for the other protagonists in the dispute to do likewise. This would have afforded some protection against further damage being done not only to the individuals concerned, but perhaps of greater importance to the wider church also. CMFI is given to understand that this offer was declined by those who continue to pursue certain CMFI members, not all of whom represent Moriel Ministries. CMFI is thankful that Moriel have desisted from retaliating against certain claims made against it, via the internet and social media, though it respects it's right to respond according to Biblical protocol.
5. In regard to certain of those claims. CMFI is not aware of any formal investigation being made against Moriel Ministries in any of the countries in which it operates. Furthermore, to the best of it's knowledge, Moriel Ministries continues to operate within the fiscal regulations of those countries in which it and it's associated organisations operate.
6. Further, CMFI does not believe that Moriel is a cult which venerates it's own leader. Not only does Moriel not have members, but it adheres to a statement of faith which is broadly that of most evangelical churches. Also, all CMFI members are required to agree with the CMFI statement of faith. Jesus Christ is central to that statement of faith.                
7. To those who would hold CMFI accountable for the behaviour of its members, we would point out that all para-church ministries are in the first instance accountable to their own board of trustees, and individuals are accountable to their own local church leadership. Where any member of CMFI is considered to be acting in a way that is prejudicial to the interests of CMFI, the CMFI Council will undertake any relevant action internally and privately, and is under no compulsion to make its findings public.

The CMFI Council

www.cmfi.org.uk

If Netanyahu is able to further cement his position as the second longest serving leader in Israeli history, coupled with unprecedented support from Washington, and a burgeoning relationship with Saudi Arabia and especially some of the Gulf states; we may see a final death blow to any notion of the two state solution agenda, involving land for peace which has been peddled by the international community since Oslo in 1993. Indeed, this process had already begun when Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital last year and then rather conveniently recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights three weeks before the election (thereby handing his ally an Ace). The next logical continuation of this sequence of events (after a win) would be for Netanyahu to seek a green light from Trump to annex at least those major settlement blocks in close proximity to the green line such as Gush Etzion.

Netanyahu has been posturing the promise of security at the forefront of his manifesto pledge. According to polls, after two Intifadas and near continuous low-level conflict the majority of Jewish Israelis are disillusioned by the prospects for peace. Instead they are resigned to transforming Israel into a fortress and view Netanyahu as the man who can deliver the goods. That is, until Ganz appeared on the scene as a viable contender and formed a centrist-left wing party to challenge Likud's grip on power. Akin to former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Ganz comes with stellar military credentials, being a former Chief of Staff. Previous electoral challengers to Netanyahu have been rebuffed as being soft on security. Obviously it is far more difficult to characterize Ganz in such a light. But that hasn't prevented Netanyahu from trying. He went as far as to insinuate that his opponent may be being black mailed by Iran after reportedly having his iPhone hacked by their subversive operatives.

In the international arena, if Likud wins Israel will become both more and less isolated. The existing natural ties between Trump and Netanyahu will presumably strengthen. Israel will likely continue to forge relationships with certain elements of the ruling classes of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states; especially in the face of continued Iranian belligerence and attempts to attain regional dominance over the Sunnis. Under Netenyahu’s leadership India has also recently emerged as a strategic partner, with Israeli arms sales being the bedrock of their cordial relations. This will probably continue. Conversely, Israel will likely become further alienated from the EU. This is in part due to the strained relations between the Trump administration and Brussels. But is further exacerbated by the EU’s opposition to Likud’s stance on settlement building. With Netanyahu plausibly emboldened by US support to accelerate such activity post - election victory, this animosity will increase.

Israel has been involved in a proxy war with Iran on three main fronts: Lebanon, Syria and Gaza. The IDF sustained a bloody nose at the hands of Iranian funded and directed Hizbollah in the summer of 2006, despite delivering significant damages to Hizbollah in return. Since then the northern border has largely remained quiet and Israel's efforts to contain the paramilitary group have mostly centered on supporting opposing Sunni forces in the ongoing Syrian Civil War.

In Syria, Israel has launched direct military strikes against Iranian assets. This low-level tussle may blow up into full scale conflict should Netanyahu win a further term. This is largely due to the fact that Assad, animated by Russia and Iran, has de-facto won the Civil War and Iran’s military presence in the country has become entrenched. Netanyahu has indicated that he is unwilling to accept such a state of affairs. There will also most likely be a major operation in Gaza; especially if there are further rocket attacks, like the ones we have witnessed recently.

The weak policy of Obama not keeping his "red line" warning to Syria, and the vacuum left by the Obama administration in Iraq that was filled by Isis whom Obama ridiculed as a mere "JV team", created a complicated mess inherited by Trump. Israel and the USA on one hand, as well as Syria and Iran backed by Putin on the other, were both pitted against an Isis that is now all but destroyed in Syria as Trump pledged. The three-way conflict thrust on Netanyahu and bequeathed to Trump however, further complicated by the ambiguous position of Turkey and Erdogan, engendered an insurmountable quagmire that left Assad in power despite the success in eradicating Isis. The Sunni Isis Caliphate was effectively replaced by a Shia Iranian nexus extending via Syria into Lebanon with adjuncts in Gaza.

On the financial front, in the absence of unforeseen circumstances the economy overall will continue to grow due to favorable free market policies championed by Netanyahu that attract foreign investment in terms of both capital and research and development -especially in the high-tech industry. Adversely, Chareidi participation in the workforce will remain stunted due to Likud being obliged to concede subsidies to this sector in order to retain the support of the religious parties in its coalition; thus demotivating this community from obtaining gainful employment.

Netanyahu has promised to reserve several seats in his coalition and cabinet posts for ultra nationalist parties who many would argue are opposed to the fundamental tenets of western democratic liberalism. Giving them such a platform may impact government policy vis a vis Israel’s Arab minority; as has arguably already been the case with the right wing coalition passing Israel’s Jewish nation state law last year. This piece of legislation defined Israel as a State for the Jewish people rather than for all its citizens. We may see additional comparable statutes promulgated by the Knesset following a Likud win.

SO MUCH HAPPENS IN THE NEWS EVENTS EVERY WEEK OF PROPHETIC IMPORTANCE. BUT HOW ISRAELI BELIEVERS EXPERIENCE AND VIEW THESE THING?

YESHUA TOLD US PLAINLY IN MATTHEW 10 THAT WE SHALL NOT FINNISH EVANGELIZING ISRAEL BEFORE HE RETURNS. PETER'S EPISTLE SAYS WE CAN HASTEN HIS COMING. CAN WE 'HASTEN THE SECOND COMING' OF YESHUA BY EVANGELIZING ISRAEL?

PLEASE JOIN US IN WELCOMING ISRAELI PASTOR YOSI OVADIA FROM GALILEE AS HE JOINS JACOB PRASCH IN EXPLORING '"THE BODY OF MESSIAH IN MODERN ISRAEL".
 

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03/17/2010 17:42
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Palestinian Authority shuts down the only Christian TV broadcaster in the Territories
After 14 years on the air, the government shuts down the only Palestinian Christian TV station. Located about 350 metres from Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, the station broadcast shows with social, religious, economic and cultural content. Its general manager tells AsiaNews the order is unfair, stressing the high regard in which viewers held the station.

Bethlehem (AsiaNews) "“ The Palestinian National Authority has shut down Al-Mahed "Nativity" TV for operating without a licence. Samir Qumsieh, owner and general manager of the Christian broadcaster, slammed the decision. After 14 years on the air and despite a long list of "thank you letters" by grateful viewers, Palestinian police raided the broadcaster’s offices yesterday at 2 pm. Waving an order by the Interior Ministry, they put the station off the air. Contacted by AsiaNews, Mr Qumsieh said he was baffled by the order, which for him was "unjustified".

Located on high ground at about 350 metres from the Church of Nativity, in Bethlehem, Al-Mahed "Nativity" TV was for years the "only Christian voice" among Palestinian media.

It broadcast programmes in all sorts of domains, from education to the environment, from politics to local culture and society, as well as programmes with a religious content: masses, prayers and the most important celebrations on the liturgical calendar. Its audience was not limited to Christians but included Muslims as well.

According to unconfirmed reports that reached AsiaNews, the closure appears to be financially motivated. Palestinian authorities demanded money, a "licence" that was not paid.

In a letter addressed to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, Mr Qumsieh slammed the unjustified closure of the Christian TV station because of the "lack of a licence".

He said that 14 years of broadcasting earned the station the gratitude of viewers as demonstrated by the many thank you letters and e-mails, worthy of a "Guinness world record".

In his letter to the authorities, he said that he "would not beg" to have the station re-opened. The "ingratitude" shown to him is "unacceptable by any religion, logic or conscience".

The announcement that Israel intends to build a housing complex in a neighbourhood that is part of East Jerusalem.

The result: Vice President Biden was said to be greatly embarrassed by this announcement as he had just arrived in Israel in an attempt to encourage both Israel and the Palestinians to re-enter peace negotiations.

Now if this was a planned insult to Biden and the USA one could understand it.

If it was a deliberate attempt to throw a rock under the peace process, again we could see and understand America's ire and the subsequent Palestinian riots that followed.

However, neither is true.

It was an ill-timed announcement by a lesser official in Netanyahu's government. That is for sure.

BUT the announcement should not have caused such an earthquake response from America and the PA.

Why?

Because everyone; the Americans and the Palestinians, know full well that such building endevours have been going on in this same neighbourhood for the last 4 decades!

AND even more amazing; they all know that under any and every past and present peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians it has been agreed that this area would always be a part of Israel in any future two state solution!!

So they would still be building in Israel not a future Palestinian state! Everyone agrees.

So why the vitriolic response from the USA and the Palestinians?

I believe this has shown the Obama administration's true colours and their anti-Israel policies and pro-Palestinian / Arab kow-towing.

Today 75% of Congress called on Secretary of State Clinton and Obama to "cool it" regarding Israel and to make a behind closed doors peace with Netanyahu.

Maybe they will, maybe they will not. But if one takes a look at the list of regular visitors to the White House in recent months you will see the administration is taking a very disturbing anti-American, anti-Israel route. Read the list here.

And as such placing itself on a collision course with the God of Israel.

Not because Israel is always right. But because as in most instances, and especially in this recent case, Israel has once more been attacked without cause.

This is nothing other than the handywork of Satan himself who is seeking the destruction of the Jewish state. And in attempting to fulfill his diabolical plans he uses fallen mankind.

This is the land to which in future days the Messiah Yeshua Himself will return to defend his people when as the prophet Zechariah says "All nations shall come against Jerusalem." (Zechariah 14:1-5).

The Palestinians for their part, in seeing the American response and changing attitude toward Israel, have smelt blood and believe the new administration is openly against the Jewish state and its demise is near. So they join in the hunt and begin to riot.

They ponder why the Americans are dragging their feet in allowing any solid concrete action against Iran and her nuclear plans against Israel.

Could the USA think-tank be considering the possibility of Iran destroying Israel then America, holding its hands up in mock horror deals with Iran to stop it becoming a danger to the USA's Arab (read "oil producing") friends?

Thus America becomes the saviour of the Middle East and prevents a possible World War and at the same time, by proxy, rids the world of the Israel problem.

All under a President who refuses to show his original birth certificate, who bows to the King of Saudi Arabia; something no Western leader has ever, ever done, and has questionable guests at the White House many of whom have been anti-USA in the past. Read the list here

Speculation, I know, and I hope I am wrong. But certainly the Bible tells us plainly that when Antichrist appears the world will turn against Israel.

I am NOT saying Obama IS the Antichrist. But he could be preparing the world for the Antichrist's anti-Israel, anti-christian time of the Great Tribulation.

It appears those days may not be too distant.

May Messiah bless you.

The frosty Obama/Netanyahu personal relations is a result of a crisis which was manufactured by Barack Obama as a way to isolate the Jewish State and serve it up on a silver platter to his allies in the Muslim world. Yes I know the President keeps talking about the "shared interests" and "friendship" but this President is an expert in saying one thing and doing another.

The official story, the one you hear in the press, is the U.S. wants a freeze on new housing units in East Jerusalem and the West Bank as a way to bring Palestinians back to the bargaining table for renewed peace talks. The truth is that these housing developments started decades before Bibi took over as PM in 2009 and negotiations were taking place all during that period.

Obama is pressuring Israel despite the fact that last year Mahmoud Abbas declared in the Washington Post that he would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and that he would not lift a finger to peacemaking. Abbas basically said that Bibi would capitulate or he would wait until a Bibi/Obama split brings down the Netanyahu government.

Obama is putting the entire burden on Israel and the "settlements". No reciprocal demand is made of the Palestinians.

In his demands Obama has refused to recognize existing agreements between the two countries saying that Israel would ‚   be permitted to expand existing communities. In fact the Obama administration refused to admit they ever existed. ‚   That lie was refuted by was disputed by former Asst. Secretary of State Elliot Abrams who negotiated that agreement with Israel:

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The PA official's claim follows a meeting in Jordan last week between PA President Mahmoud Abbas and George Mitchell, Obama's envoy to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. At a press conference immediately following the meeting, Abbas declared the Palestinian "right" to "resistance" against Israel.

The U.S. has come down hard on a decision by the Jerusalem municipality to approve 1,600 new homes in Ramat Shlomo, an already-existing Jewish community in eastern Jerusalem. The decision was made public during Vice President Joe Biden's visit to the region earlier this month.

The Palestinians claim eastern Jerusalem as their future capital, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made clear he does not intend to give up the Jewish sections of the city.

Netanyahu has stated that he had not been aware of the decision to build in Ramat Shlomo and that the announcement was not timed to coincide with Biden's visit.

Still, Obama senior adviser David Axelrod called the Ramat Shlomo announcement an "insult." Other administration officials called the Jewish neighborhood expansion an impediment to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

Yesterday, Netanyahu's office made public a U.S. demand for a four-month freeze of Jewish construction in Jewish neighborhoods of eastern Jerusalem. In exchange for the freeze, the U.S. said it would coax Abbas to hold direct negotiations with Netanyahu regarding the establishment of a Palestinian state.

The Palestinians have been engaged in riots and street violence targeting Jews in Jerusalem.

Two weeks ago, Israel rededicated an ancient synagogue in the main Jewish quarter of the Old City. The structure had been badly damaged by Jordanian forces that overran the Jewish Quarter in the 1948 Middle East war.

The Hurva synagogue is hundreds of feet from the Western Wall and is in no way connected to the Temple Mount. Israel did not conduct heavy construction on the synagogue, a structure that had been in the Jewish quarter since the second century.

Still, the PA and Hamas claimed Israel's rededication ceremony was a threat to the al-Aqsa Mosque. Hamas called for a "day of rage," prompting Palestinians throughout eastern Jerusalem to hurl stones at police. There were also reports of rocks and Molotov cocktails aimed at Israeli buses.

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EDITORIALS
NYDailyNews.com
Monday, March 29th 2010

The grotesquely misnamed United Nations Human Rights Council has topped its own high standard of absurd lies about Israel - this time resurrecting the medieval blood libel against Jews with a medical twist.

The council has posted on its Web site a venomous letter from an anti-Israel organization called EAFORD, the International Organization for the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which is just as grotesquely misnamed as the council itself.

EAFORD, a nonprofit founded in Libya and granted UN accreditation in 1981, has one consuming obsession: to brand Israel a criminal state.

EAFORD's statement, with the council's imprimatur, accuses Israel of plucking organs of "dead, kidnapped and killed Palestinians" in a conspiracy involving "Israeli physicians, medical centers, rabbis and the Israeli Army."

Such is the nature of the Human Rights Council. It legitimizes outrageous, inflammatory lies about Israel while ordering Hillel Neuer of UN Watch to refrain from using the word "regime" when talking about Iran. It ceaseslessly attacks the only democracy in the Middle East while turning a blind eye to genocide, female genital mutilation and human trafficking elsewhere.

Passover, the Jewish festival of freedom, begins at sundown tonight. This would be the perfect time for the Obama administration, which has suffered from the delusion that the council can be reformed, to call it out for the hatemongering farce that it is.

Source https://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_propagating_hate.html

The UN Watch letter that exposed the blood libel follows below.

March 24, 2010

Dear Mr. President,
Dear Madam High Commissioner,

As a human rights NGO dedicated to combating racism, UN Watch is alarmed to discover that the UN Human Rights Council, together with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, has, however unwittingly, helped to propagate an anti-Semitic blood libel by publishing it as an official United Nations document (A/HRC/13/NGO/23), which is now being distributed to country delegates"”under the same Agenda Item in which they will soon vote on the Goldstone Report.

We call upon you to immediately cease circulating this racist, hateful and inflammatory text to the ambassadors and other delegates of the Human Rights Council; to gather up and destroy all existing copies; and to remove it from the Human Rights Council website.

The document in question is A/HRC/13/NGO/23, entitled "Israeli Illegal Trafficking in Organs of Dead and Kidnapped Palestinian Victims." It was submitted by the "International Organization for the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination," also known as EAFORD. As shown on its website (www.eaford.org), the raison d’etre of this UN-accredited organization is to accuse Israel of being a racist state. (The website also links to a video on U.S. action in Iraq, which it describes as a "Holocaust.")

The statement begins by accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing and massacres," creating the "largest open-air prison in the world," perpetrating "economic genocide," and having "let loose hordes of marauding gangs of Israeli illegal settlers" in order to "launch pogroms against Palestinians."

It then proceeds to the principal charge: "Now it is the turn of the dead, kidnapped and killed Palestinians. Their human organs, as reported in the press, can be a source of immense wealth through illegal trafficking in the world market. Israeli physicians, medical centers, rabbis and the Israeli army may be involved, according to reports published in the Swedish press and criminal investigations in the United States."

It goes on: "After Israeli physicians remove organs they think marketable, the soldiers bury the bodies in graves that carry only numbers and no names, or place them in sealed caskets and deliver them under curfew conditions to the families and supervise the digging of the graves and burial."

Finally, the statement concludes by calling on "physicians, medical centers and associations everywhere to condemn and boycott Israeli physicians and medical centers."

Your Excellencies, the accusation that the Jewish state and its doctors are engaged in a racist campaign to steal Palestinian organs has no basis in fact or reality, and is nothing less than the repackaging of the medieval blood libel that was used over centuries to incite anti-Semitic hatred, violence and pogroms against Jews.

The United Nations cannot allow itself to aid or abet such blatant incitement to racism. Given that the Office of the High Commissioner carefully screens all submissions before deciding to publish them"”indeed, our own submissions to this session were edited to remove certain words referring to regimes such as Iran and Libya"”we are deeply disappointed that this hateful text was accepted for publication as an official UN document, and that it is now being distributed as such within the Human Rights Council chamber.

We urge you to take immediate action in accordance with the principles of human rights, equality and anti-racism upon which the United Nations was founded.

Respectfully,

Hillel C. Neuer
Executive Director
UN Watch
Geneva, Switzerland

The document misreported an interview with one of the participants, English social worker Miranda Pinch, claiming that she had been told by the head teacher of a school in Hebron that some children had been sexually abused.

In a statement which apologises "unreservedly" for the mistake, the charity said:

"The children had in fact been subjected to verbal sexual harassment, which is clearly different, from both settlers and Israeli soldiers.

"This was an unwitting mistake on Christian Aid’s part and we apologise for the misrepresentation of what had taken place.

"Christian Aid has interviewed the head teacher, who has confirmed that teenage girls had suffered verbal sexual harassment while passing through a nearby army checkpoint."

The Charity Commission said concerns have been raised with it about the mistake and that it was "currently assessing what regulatory concern there may be for the Commission".

No, none of those incidents were described as insults. Nothing that Muslim countries did to mock, humiliate and murder Americans were even noticed at all. None of them produced furious condemnations from the White House or two hours of Hillary Clinton screeching on the phone at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. So what did Israel do that was so awful, so horrible and terrible? It built houses. Yes, civilian houses. Not army bases or nuclear missiles or walls. Houses.

Israel approved a construction project to build housing for its own people, in its own capitol city, Jerusalem. Some of the housing will be built in the Shimon HaTzadik neighborhood, situated around the grave of Shimon the Righteous, a Jewish religious figure famed for rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem. A neighborhood where Jews have lived for over a century. As well as Ramat Shlomo, a thriving neighborhood with thousands of Jewish families living in it.

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They say that the aim of this conference is to:

...equip the global church to understand Scripture as it relates to the Palestinian context, and to discuss the theological importance of Peace and Justice in an Evangelical context.

Our hope is to provide a forum for evangelicals who take the Bible seriously to prayerfully seek a well-informed awareness of issues of peace, justice and reconciliation which are contextually sensitive as well profound to scriptural scholarship.

-www.christatthecheckpoint.com

The speakers at this conference are listed here:
https://www.christatthecheckpoint.com/speakers.html

Today's keynote speakers may seem like a particularly surprising combo, but really this is no surprise. They are listed as Lynne Hybels and Tony Campolo.

Lynne Hybels, of course, is the wife of Bill Hybels of Willow Creek church and Willow Creek Association (which most seeker friendly churches today are members of). Besides partnering with the Tutus and the Warrens in social justice and world peace endeavours, Mr. Hybels has had the anti-semetic Jimmy Carter in to speak, as well as Tony Blair and Bono (Mr. COEXIST), etc. You may recall that Mr. Hybels is also a signatory of"¦

This "Common Word Between You and Us", complete with its own website and heavy hitting endorsements from the misguided likes of Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Leith Anderson, and Jim Wallis of the religious left, has proven to be more of a sophisticated anti-Israel propaganda tool than legitimate Inter-Faith dialogue.

-'A Common Word' -- Inter-Faith Dialogue or Propaganda Tool?
[www.christiannewswire.com]

Mrs. Hybels has also signed something:

"Something called the Christians Support Bold Action for Holy Land Peace campaign was launched; a letter signed by 50 leaders included Tony Campolo, Joel Hunter (president of the NAE); Bill and Lynne Hybels; Richard Mouw, President of Fuller; and David Neff, editor-in-chief CT.
This, my friends, represents a thrust deep into the heart of evangelicalism, so long a community that by and large supported Israel. That support is no longer guaranteed, and the presence of Hunter and Hybels cements the fact."

-The Crusades
[www.prophecymatters.com]

As far as Mr. Campolo goes, well, besides his contemplative, mystical, Ancient Roman Catholic spirituality, centering prayer side, he seems to think that Israel is "stealing" their own land"¦

Listen to Tony Campolo in Bethlehem, over breakfast at the Christ at the Checkpoint conference, where just a few days ago he said this:

Sizer: "What's wrong with the settlements and the wall and so on, is that for security?"
Campolo: "Well, you're stealing land I mean, I mean, let me put it this way, the Bible says 'thou shall not steal,' you're stealing land! Do I have to be more specific? Hehe..what do you want me to say, nice diplomatic words?"

-Tony Campolo on the Israeli Occupation of Palestine
https://vimeo.com/10149203

Campolo's hope for this conference that is going on right now is that they will come up with a new way of thinking.

There is more on Campolo’s theology regarding Israel here:

Tony Campolo: Misinformed, bad theology
www.wnd.com

Tony might benefit by taking a closer look at the what the Bible says on this subject regarding The Land of Israel and To whom does it belong.

Other speakers at this conference include Brother Andrew, and Stephen Sizer.

Unfortunately, Brother Andrew has recently become somewhat imbalanced. Jacob Prasch writes that he...

"joins the Stephen Sizer and Gary Burge chorus of turning a deaf ear to the persecuted Christians in the surrounding Islamic countries to instead stupidly focus on the one nation in the region fully protecting the human rights and religious liberty of Arab Christians "“ Israel."

-Brother Andrew and Light Force
The Sorry Saga of a Has Been
[moriel.org]

Burge and Sizer are, of course, also speakers at this conference. There is so much anti-Israel stuff on the internet associated with Mr. Sizer and his [rotten] fruit, I simply don't know where to start. Here’s the scoop on Sizer's theology (he’s the one who interviewed Campolo in the video above):

Anti-Zionist Stephen Sizer
en.wikipedia.org

The Size of the Stephen Sizer Theology
moriel.org

Calvin L. Smith: Stephen Sizer as Anti-Replacement Theology Champion?
www.calvinlsmith.com

Police visit to Seismic Shock blogger after "harassment" complaint "“ the context
onlinejournalismblog.com

Stephen Sizer Complains to Police About Blogger
www.camera.org

Stephen Sizer and the Sons of Menelaus
moriel.org

He’s No "Sinner", He’s a False Prophet
www.moriel.org

Stephen Sizer Contra Melanie Philips
www.moriel.org

Response To Stephen Sizer’s Open Letter
moriel.org

Like I said, I don't know much about these things, but it appears to me that there is a battle going on within the ranks of those who claim to be the Bible believing body of Christ. It's not only over emerging church heretical things, or the six days of creation thing, and end time things, but also about what the Bible says about Israel. Are they all important? I think so, because they are all about taking God's Word at face value. Many reading this may disagree, but that's what I see.

As the friend who sent me the e-mail this morning said:

"just how much of such 'poking the finger in the pupil (apple) of God's eye' is He going to take from his "Body""

[*Disclaimer: As always, unless otherwise stated, the views expressed on the little brown blog are the personal opinions, rantings, and meanderings of this blogger.]

Particularly serious is the fact - revealed by Yuval Azoulay in the October 2 edition of the Hebrew-language Haaretz Magazine - that behind the threats, the spreading of harmful rumors and harassment are not only the thugs of Yad L'Achim, but top Interior Ministry officials.

The officials, including Amos Arbel, head of the Population Administration in Tel Aviv, received information on the private lives of individuals described as "members of a messianic cult." On the pretext of counteracting "missionaries" who had "acted against the Jewish people," these officials trampled on people's basic rights.

It's hard to believe - a government agency tasked with delivering public services to citizens (mainly granting permits) is persecuting people for their opinions and beliefs while leaning on an extremist, violent organization. The infuriating interrogation of the university student Barbara Ludwig for alleged missionary work and the fact that her personal file (which was supposed to be classified) was transferred to Yad L'Achim is a blatant violation of Israel's Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty.

The organization's shady links with the establishment are not new - for years, its activists have provided information to rabbinical courts seeking to stick their hands into sensitive cases at the Social Affairs Ministry. More than once the group has enjoyed the assistance of ultra-Orthodox politicians such as Menachem Porush, who as deputy social affairs minister in 1991 wrote to a court pleading for mercy toward the group's activists who had kidnapped an orphan from relatives who were "not religious enough." But the Interior Ministry employees' collaboration with the group outdoes even that abhorrent precedent.

The government must call its employees to order immediately, to explain to Interior Minister Eli Yishai that he is not responsible for maintaining the purity of the Jewish race according to the formula of ultra-Orthodox zealots, and that any collaboration with Yad L'Achim is, in effect, a grave instance of persecution.

Amos Arbel, head of the Population Administration in Tel Aviv ... is persecuting people for their opinions and beliefs...

Menachem Porush ... wrote to a court pleading for mercy toward the group's activists who had kidnapped an orphan from relatives who were "not religious enough"

The government must explain to Interior Minister Eli Yishai that any collaboration with Yad L'Achim is, in effect, a grave instance of persecution.

Arad persecution.

Have a short and brutal year", was the 'greeting' Yoyakim got from an anonymous caller, on the Jewish 2009 New Year, Rosh-Hashanah. The man on the other end of the line hung-up the phone after that. since then, quite a few
things happened:

One of the main leaders in the hate-filled harassments against the believers in Arad for the last 5 years, the chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Arad, died just before 'Yom Kippur'. He is the one who stood in front of Poly Sigulim's private house in 2004
with 250 demonstrators and compared the believers in Yeshua to Israel's worst enemies.

About 3 weeks ago, around the same time, on the 24th of September, 2009, Rebecca and Barry Punchard, a believing couple here in Arad, who have been sticking their necks out for the Sudanese refugees, were on their way again to help these people in Arad. These Sudanese are very much despised in this little town, for taking all the jobs around, mainly in the hotels, as cheap labour, and unfortunately, are being accused of anything and everything except for murder.

Barry and Rebecca have been helping them, since they were cheated many times by real estate agencies for instance, who have threatened not once to throw a Sudanese family out of the apartment for supposedly not paying their bills. On this day, the 24th of September, Rebecca was going to translate for a group of Sudanese women who were trying to get to the Mayor, who had promised on TV to help them in the past, to stop them from being thrown out of an apartment, which they were using as a kindergarten. Rebecca had also invited a TV reporter. He couldn ‚ ¹t come and asked them to film instead of him.

This is where the whole mess started. It is hard to put it all in order, since so many things happened so quickly and horribly, but we will try and be concise.

Rebecca and the group were met by the police, including the head of the police, who found out somehow that they were going to the Mayor. They were told very sternly that they were not allowed to demonstrate.

Still they were going to try and talk with the Mayor. At the Town Hall they were met by the police again, who this time were very angry and told them to leave. Rebecca tried to talk to the head of the police, who in the past seemed very nice, to try and explain the urgency of the matter for the mothers, whose kids would not have a place to gather in the mornings while mothers are at work. The response was very stern again, and so they left. What Barry and Rebecca weren't realizing was that the funeral march of the chief Arad rabbi, who died, was supposed to pass in that very area. It seems like an unfortunate co-incidence.

They arrived at the kindergarten, only to find out their stuff was already being thrown out by someone who came to renovate. Barry Punchard was there with a friend, filming. They had not been there for a few minutes, when a whole load of policemen swarmed in.

Sudanese women were dragged out of the kindergarten by their hair. One of the police men was making racist remarks about the Sudanese. There were cries and screams. A big guy dressed in civilian clothes stood in front of Barry and demanded the camera. Barry refused. He was pushed violently. Some Sudanese women came to his help, screaming in distress, and they were beaten. In the local news papers police claims one of the Sudanese women beat the chief of police with some kind of a board. Barry was taken to the police station, but not before he managed to hand the camera over to Rebecca. Rebecca gave the camera to a friend that was there, but the police demanded it off him. Rebecca was told to make her own way to the police station, since she had her little toddler and her 9 year old daughter with her. She was threatened they were going to deport Barry for supposedly not having a valid visa. She put her daughters in the care of her friend, and made her way to the police. Some Sudanese were arrested, including a pregnant woman [9th month], who was put in hand cuffs. At the police station, Rebecca saw Barry cuffed hand and foot. Barry testifies he was beaten again at the police station, while he was cuffed. She tried to talk to him but was aggressively told to stay away.

While she was investigated, a police man erased out of her mobile phone clips she managed to film of what happened. She was then arrested for incitement to terror and violence. She insisted on making contact with a lawyer. They tried to put her off by telling her it was a 'long procedure'. Finally she managed to make contact. Barry was made to sign a statement in
Hebrew, a language he does not understand. Since Barry suffers from hernia, he was taken to the emergency to be checked. His hernia wasn't hurt by the beating, but they took him cuffed hand and foot to the hospital, like a criminal. While he was in jail, Barry was made to take off his hernia belt again and again. He now suffers from pain because of that.

We were just on our way up North when all this was happening. Yo-Yakim got a call, demanding he comes and takes 'his friends stuff' from the police station'. When Yo-Yakim said he was up North, the policeman wished him a good time and put the phone down. We frantically tried to make contact with Barry and Rebecca, but of course, they couldn't talk with us. They were both taken to jail. Rebecca testifies the jail was horrible. She was put into a dark room. When her eyes got used to the dark, she saw old food on the beds, garbage over flowing. The toilet was dirty, the towel was mouldy, the sheets were filthy, and the mattresses were full of bed bugs.

A woman in the cell said no one came to clean in the five days she had been there. It was cold, but Rebecca tried to remember she was there because she helped other people. She also thought of the chances she had during the day, to tell the people who handled her along the way to the jail, and asked her why she was being arrested, about the ill treatment the Sudanese are suffering.

The next day she was put before a judge, who wasn't convinced that she was justly put in jail. The policeman representing the police, the same one who made racist remarks against the Sudanese, said he had a letter which he had not read yet from the Mayor's secretary, which would surely support his case. He handed it over to the judge to be read. The judge smiled a little and asked the policeman if he knew what he had just done. He then asked the policeman to read the letter. In it, the secretary of the Mayor was describing Rebecca's good deeds and practical help for the Sudanese. The judge described it as an excellent civilian example.

The police claimed at the court they didn ‚ ¹t know at all whether they were holding on to Barry ‚ ¹s video camera which had the whole event documented.

Rebecca was released to house arrest for five days, Barry was released to house arrest on bail by Pastor Howard Bass from Beer-Sheva for twelve days. Barry, who is 67, has a hard time digesting all of this. In the past, Barry went to the most remote places in Russia to bring Jewish people to the promised land. Now this.

In actual fact, the police were helping the owner of the flat that the Sudanese were renting, to throw them out, which is against the law. We were expecting things to get worse. We were not expecting it to come from those who are supposed to keep order. Now we are witnessing very negative articles in the local newspapers with twisted information claiming some kind of conspiracy between the "missionaries" and the unwanted Sudanese work seekers" (they don't call them "refugees" any more).

The terrible disastrous earthquake in Haiti has generated responses from many nations. The US has sent supplies and personnel, Britain sent 64 firemen and 8 volunteers, France sent troops for Search and Rescue. Many large and wealthy nations of the world sent money. The Arab and Moslem world nothing.

Israel, a nation of 7.5 million people has sent a team of 220 people that includes Medical personnel and will establish the largest field hospital in Haiti, treating up to 5000 people a day, an experienced Search and Rescue team and medical supplies. As in previous earthquake disasters, such as in Gujarat India in 2001 and in Turkey, in the bombings in Kenya, Israel has been one of the most generous givers of aid and assistance

Turkey seems to have forgotten this help as its extreme Moslem Government is cozying up to Iran.

Judge Goldstone, where are you now? Eating your heart out and hanging your head down in shame I hope.

The favorite occupation in the UN is Israel bashing. More resolutions have been passed condemning Israel than all the so called democratic nations such as Sudan, China, Russia and others for their crimes against their minorities.

I think it is time that the world should know about Israel's disproportionate response.

Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize ... She was not selected.

Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russian Peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iraq , Iran , and others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it's imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because there are others who would like to do it again.

Yad L’Achim’s Facebook page ‚  state: The Jewish soul is a precious, all-too-rare resource, and we are not prepared to give up on even a single one. .. There are no "lost causes." Yad ‚  L’Achim will continue its rescue activities, together with its efforts at Jewish outreach, as long as the problem of missionaries and Jewish-Arab marriage"¦" ‚   ‚   ‚  Yad L’Achim really believes it has soul rights on all Jews and will do anything to bring ‚  secular, atheist, Reform, agnostic, ‚  Messianic ‚  Jewish souls to Orthodox Judaism, and the Rebbe!

Yad L’Achim have been linked to the Ami-bomber by Teitel ‚  himself who claims he was one of their volunteer activists, a claim Yad ‚  L’Achim are predictably quick to refute. However such was the case when Yad L’Achim switched stories when a Chabadnik ‚  Yad L’Achim volunteer ‚  Raphael Miriashvili, 25, of Lod was found murdered in Israel.

Artovski is no stranger to both sides of the law and knows the terrain well.

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A 3,000-year-old defensive wall possibly built by King Solomon has been unearthed in Jerusalem, according to the Israeli archaeologist who led the excavation. The discovery appears to validate a Bible passage, she says.

The tenth-century B.C. wall is 230 feet (70 meters) long and about 6 meters (20 feet) tall. It stands along what was then the edge of Jerusalem"”between the Temple Mount, still Jerusalem's paramount landmark, and the ancient City of David, today a modern-day Arab neighborhood called Silwan.

The stone barrier is part of a defensive complex that includes a gatehouse, an adjacent building, and a guard tower, which has been only partially excavated, according to Eilat Mazar, who led the dig for the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Over the years, the structures have been partially demolished"”their building materials scavenged for later structures"”and what remained was buried under rubble, Mazar said.

The Bible's First Book of Kings"”widely believed to have been written centuries after the time period in question"”says Solomon, king of Israel, built a defensive wall in Jerusalem. The new discovery is the first archaeological evidence of this structure, Mazar says.

(Related: "King Solomon's Mines Rediscovered?")

Bearing Out a Bible Passage?

Ancient artifacts found in and around the complex pointed Mazar to the tenth-century B.C. date.

"We don't have many kings during the tenth century that could have built such a structure, basically just David and Solomon," she said.

According to the Bible, King David, of David-and-Goliath fame, was the father of King Solomon, who is said to have built the First Temple of Jerusalem on the Temple Mount.

Ceramics found near the wall helped narrow the date down, being of a level of sophistication common to the second half of the tenth century B.C."”King Solomon's time, according to Mazar.

Three-foot-tall (one-meter-tall) earthenware storage vessels were found near the gatehouse, one of them with a Hebrew inscription indicating the container belonged to a high-ranking government official.

Figurines typical of tenth-century B.C. Jerusalem"”including four-legged animals and large-breasted women likely symbolizing fertility"”were also uncovered, as were jar handles bearing impressions reading "to the king" and various Hebrew names, she said.

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I hope Sizer at least paid his shameless patsy Jews For Jesus stooges a generous honorarium for their PR services when they ignored the official position they once published by Moishe Rosen in their newsletter calling 'anti Zionism the mere current expression of anti Semitism' and pandered to Stephen Sizer to the public assassination of their testimony for Yeshua to the Jewish community. Politicians are, by definition, hypocrites. So are Richard Harvey, Susan Perlman, and Jews For Jesus. The Jewish community, the rabbinic establishment, and Jewish community media outlets all propagate the idea that Jewish believers in Jesus as Messiah have joined the ranks of historical "Christian" Jew hatred and anti Semitism as a tactic to discourage Jewish consideration of the claims of Jesus. By virtue of their sickening actions Jews for Jesus are out to prove them right

'Jews for Jesus' are no longer "for Jesus".  Jews for Jesus are for themselves. They are plainly and primarily about theocratic politics and fundraising - not about the cause of the Gospel to lost Jewish souls because they have categorically proven themselves to be quite willing to sacrifice their testimony to the Jewish people for the sake of such church politics and fund raising. I hope the theocratic socializing and honorariums are worth it. Having assassinated their own witness for Yeshua to the Jewish community they are no longer witnesses to the Jews but demonstrable, and some would say, paid suckers for Stephen Sizer.

Citing a recent article concerning the correspondence to a true Christian Zionist who both stands with Israel and with the cause of Israel's salvation; a brother of the kind castigated by Sizer and Jeremy Corbyn. Cast your minds back a few years, and you’ll remember that the Church of England decided to investigate Stephen Sizer, after he had:

• Commended a call for the Jews to “get the Hell out of Palestine“
• Suggestedthat the Jews were behind 9/11
• Cited Holocaust denier Dale Crowley
• CitedHolocaust denier Michael Hoffman
• Cited9/11 “truther” Michael Collins defending Holocaust denier Dale Crowley
• Travelled to Iran as a guestof the Iranian regime, having been invited by the same man who previously invited Robert Faurisson on an expenses-paid tour
• Spoke at an IHRC conference aiming towards “a new liberation theology on Palestine” – alongside Rima Fakhry of Hezbollah and terror advocate Achmad Cassiem
• Shared a platformwith Holocaust denier Fred Tobin
• Supported the IHH flotilla
• Proposed a boycott of Greeceafter they blocked another Gaza flotilla
• Hosted a speakerat his church who thinks suicide bombers are martyrs
• Agreed that Hamas had every rightto “hit back” against the West
• Linkedto antisemitic website The Ugly Truth
• Joined with with Sheikh Nabil Kaouk, commander of Hezbollah’s armed forces in Southern Lebanon
• Joined with with the Blood Libel Sheikh, Raed Salah, whom Jeremy Corbyn brought into Parliament
• Joined  with the granddaughter of Ayatollah Khomeini, Zahra Mostafavi
• Toured Malaysiaspeaking about Palestine , following an invite from a Holocaust denier
• Posted a linkto Veterans Today, which dismisses the Holocaust as an “Israeli psy-ops operation”, denies the gas chambers, defends Hitler, sneers at “the Jewish crooks on Wall Street”, publishes pieces by Gilad Atzmon, and says of the Jews, “they should wholly be burnt in ovens”.
• Posted a blog link to the Palestine Telegraph, which supported the writingsof ex-KKK leader David Duke.

Here was Corbyn’s spirited defense of Stephen Sizer, in a letter to Sizer’s bishop back in 2012

Dear Right Reverend Christopher Hill

I am sorry to hear that problems have arisen, for Reverend Stephen Sizer, at least in part due to a technical oversight in terms of computer links, though I understand that the problem has now been rectified. I hope it was no more complicated than that.

Reverend Stephen Sizer seems to have come under attack by certain individuals intent on discrediting the excellent work that Stephen does in highlighting the injustices of the Palestinian Israeli situation, in particular by his very thorough analysis of “Christian Zionism”. Might I suggest that such criticism is part of a wider pattern of demonising those who dare to stand up and speak out against Zionism, a philosophy that precludes the existence of the state of Palestine?

Your own expertise, wisdom and experience will, I am sure, allow you to appreciate just how much distance exists between anti Semitism, anti Zionism, and anti Israeli government actions for that matter. Overzealous critics find it convenient to conflate them all. Active and well informed individuals such as Reverend Stephen Sizer, withstand a considerable amount of inappropriate criticism. Indeed many MPs and Peers are also attacked.

The internet is a complicated piece of technology and with the best will in the world, imperfect links are made and one would have to spend 8 hours a day “surfing” the net just to be 100% certain one’s views to not become contaminated in any way at all. Even then, connections can inadvertently be made.

I do hope you’ll take the above into consideration when meeting with Reverend Stephen Sizer today, for I do admire the excellent work that he does and personally, I would give no credence at all to any claims that he is anti-Semitic.

With kind regards

Jeremy Corbyn MP
Islington North

Draw your own conclusions.

Together, they make up the text of the Song of the Sea, sung by jubilant Israelites after fleeing slavery in Egypt and witnessing the destruction of the pharaoh's armies in the Red Sea.

"The enemy said: 'I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil. My lust shall be satisfied upon them, I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them,'" reads the song, which appears in the Book of Exodus. "Thou didst blow thy wind, the sea covered them. They sank like lead in the mighty waters."

An exhibit at Israel's national museum dedicated to the Song of the Sea is now bringing together the two long-separated pieces.

One page of the song, known as the Ashkar manuscript, was previously housed in a rare books library at Duke University in North Carolina and was first displayed at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem in 2007.

That's when a photograph of the manuscript in a local newspaper caught the eye of two Israeli paleographers, Mordechay Mishor and Edna Engel, who noticed it resembled a different page of Hebrew writing known as the London manuscript, presently part of the private collection of Stephan Loewentheil of New York.

"The uniformity of the letters, the structure of the text, and the techniques used by the scribe ... it made it very clear to me," Engel said.

The relationship would not be so clear to a casual observer. The Ashkar manuscript has been so blackened by exposure to the elements that the text is all but invisible, while the London manuscript is legible and far better preserved. But after close study of ultraviolet images, the experts were able to confirm that the texts were not only written by the same scribe, but were also part of the same scroll.

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Mosab Hassan Yousef, 30, said that his decision to abandon his Muslim faith and denounce his father's organisation had exposed his family to persecution in his home town of Ramallah and endangered his own life.

... "˜I’m not afraid of them, especially as I know that I'm doing the right thing, and I don't see them as my enemies,’ he said. "˜I do think about this a lot. But what are they going to do? Are they going to kill me? If they want to kill me, let them do it. I'm not going to stop anyone. It's going to be my freedom.’

... Mr Yousef said that his doubts about Islam and Hamas crystallised when he realised not all Hamas leaders were like his father, a moderate who he describes as "˜open-minded, very humble and honest’. Mr Yousef said that he was appalled by the brutality of the movement, including the suicide bombers seeking glory through jihad. "˜Hamas, they are using civilians' lives, they are using children, they are using the suffering of people every day to achieve their goals. And this is what I hate,’ he said.

But now we learn that his courage and his principles extended far further than this. As Ha’aretz reports, for ten years Yousef worked for the Israeli security service Shin Bet for whom the intelligence he provided saved countless lives from human bomb attacks:

During the second intifada, intelligence Yousef supplied led to the arrests of a number of high-ranking Palestinian figures responsible for planning deadly suicide bombings... Loai [Yousef’s Shin Bet handler] makes no secret of his admiration for his former source. "˜The amazing thing is that none of his actions were done for money,’ he says. "˜He did things he believed in. He wanted to save lives. His grasp of intelligence matters was just as good as ours - the ideas, the insights. One insight of his was worth 1,000 hours of thought by top experts.

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The Cave of the Patriarch in Hebron - burial place of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob and Leah - and Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem joined a list of 150 other historical and biblical sites that Israel will give priority to for renovation and preservation.

But because Hebron and Bethlehem are under Palestinian Authority control, the decision has angered the Arab world and prompted threats of "holy war," even by "moderate" Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.
That has led international leaders to condemn Israel's decision to officially recognize two sites so sacred to the Jewish people. Though few in Israel expected the US to join in on the latest bash-fest.

Nevertheless, US State Department spokesman Mark Toner labeled Israel's heritage site list a "provocation" and an obstacle to peace.

Israelis have explained that by constantly reprimanding Israel in such terms, the US, the ostensible overseer of peace efforts in the region, is the one making peace more difficult by giving the Palestinians the justification they need to never make true peace with the Jewish state.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday responded to the mounting international criticism by pointing out that being added to the heritage list simply means that those sites will receive more attention in terms of preservation, including the Muslim areas at the Cave of the Patriarchs.

A statement by the Bishop of Guildford, Andrew Watson, re: Stephen Sizer
Date: 10 March 2017
A statement by the Bishop of Guildford, Andrew Watson.  

“I have become aware that Dr Stephen Sizer has again contravened the agreement he made in February 2015 just five weeks before his planned retirement on Easter Sunday, 16 April 2017. Needless to say I am very disappointed by Dr Sizer’s actions.

“Dr Sizer admits that material shared on his Facebook page in the past two weeks has breached our agreement, and so I have required him to cease all preaching, teaching and leading of services with immediate effect. He will also desist from all use of social media until his retirement takes effect.

“To allow the parish of Virginia Water to say a proper goodbye, I have conceded that Dr Sizer leads ministry over the Easter weekend.”

Yes God freed them in 1948, because that is God's land and no one else's.

And He will soon return to free whoever is still remaining at His second coming.

Until then my heart grieves for all of Israel to recgconize their Messiah that was hung on a tree for us all.

Y'shu, Jesus, Our Lord and our God.

Let's keep praying for Israel as never before.....

Jesus open the eyes of your people to recognize you before the destruction begins.

I know you will when you return, but have mercy and save many before that happens Lord.

Thank you Jesus. Amen

Grace and peace to you who are Christ Jesus

I say all this to show that I am well informed in Middle Eastern affairs and that, for that reason, I am shocked and disheartened by the EUSA motion and vote. I am shocked for a simple reason: there is not, and has never been, a system of apartheid in Israel. That is not my opinion, that is fact that can be tested against reality by any Edinburgh student, should he or she choose to visit Israel to see for themselves.

Let me spell this out, since I have the impression that those members of EUSA who voted for this motion are absolutely clueless in matters concerning Israel, and that they are, in all likelihood, the victims of extremely biased propaganda coming from the anti-Israel lobby.

Being anti-Israel is not in itself objectionable. But I'm not talking about ordinary criticism of Israel. I'm speaking of a hatred that permits itself no boundaries in the lies and myths it pours out. Thus, Israel is repeatedly referred to as a 'Nazi' state. In what sense is this true, even as a metaphor? Where are the Israeli concentration camps? The einzatsgruppen? The SS? The N ƒ ¼remberg Laws? The Final Solution?

None of these things nor anything remotely resembling them exists in Israel, precisely because the Jews, more than anyone on earth, understand what Nazism stood for. It is claimed that there has been an Israeli Holocaust in Gaza (or elsewhere). Where? When? No honest historian would treat that claim with anything but the contempt it deserves. But calling Jews Nazis, and saying they have committed a Holocaust is as basic a way to subvert historical fact as anything I can think of.

Likewise apartheid. For apartheid to exist, there would have to be a situation that closely resembled things in South Africa under the apartheid regime.

Unfortunately for those who believe this, a weekend in any part of Israel would be enough to show how ridiculous the claim is. That a body of university students actually fell for this and votedon it is a sad comment on the state of modern education. The most obvious focus for apartheid would be the country's 20% Arab population.

Under Israeli law, Arab Israelis have exactly the same rights as Jews or anyone else; Muslims have the same rights as Jews or Christians; Baha'is, severely persecuted in Iran, flourish in Israel, where they have their world centre; Ahmadi Muslims, severely persecuted in Pakistan and elsewhere, are kept safe by Israel; the holy places of all religions are protected under a specific Israeli law. Arabs form 20% of the university population (an exact echo of their percentage in the general population). In Iran, the Baha'is (the largest religious minority) are forbidden to study in any university or to run their own universities: why aren't your members boycotting Iran?

Arabs in Israel can go anywhere they want, unlike blacks in apartheid South Africa. They use public transport, they eat in restaurants, they go to swimming pools, they use libraries, they go to cinemas alongside Jews - something no blacks could do in South Africa. Israeli hospitals not only treat Jews and Arabs, they also treat Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank. On the same wards, in the same operating theatres.

In Israel, women have the same rights as men: there is no gender apartheid. Gay men and women face no restrictions, and Palestinian gays often escape into Israel, knowing they may be killed at home. It seems bizarre to me that LGBT groups call for a boycott of Israel and say nothing about countries like Iran, where gay men are hanged or stoned to death. That illustrates a mindset that beggars belief. Intelligent students thinking it's better to be silent about regimes that kill gay people, but good to condemn the only country in the Middle East that rescues and protects gay people. Is that supposed to be a sick joke?

University is supposed to be about learning to use your brain, to think rationally, to examine evidence, to reach conclusions based on solid evidence, to compare sources, to weigh up one view against one or more others. If the best Edinburgh can now produce are students who have no idea how to do any of these things, then the future is bleak.

I do not object to well documented criticism of Israel. I do object when supposedly intelligent people single the Jewish state out above states that are horrific in their treatment of their populations. We are going through the biggest upheaval in the Middle East since the 7th and 8th centuries, and it's clear that Arabs and Iranians are rebelling against terrifying regimesthat fight back by killing their own citizens. Israeli citizens, Jews and Arabs alike, do not rebel (though they are free to protest). Yet Edinburgh students mount no demonstrations and call for no boycotts against Libya, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Iran. They prefer to make false accusations against one of the world's freest countries, the only country in the Middle East that has taken in Darfur refugees, the only country in the Middle East that gives refuge to gay men and women, the only country in the Middle East that protects the Baha'is.... Need I go on? The imbalance is perceptible, and it sheds no credit on anyone who voted for this boycott.

I ask you to show some common sense. Get information from the Israeli embassy. As for some speakers. Listen to more than one side. Do not make your minds up until you have given a fair hearing to both parties.You have a duty to your students, and that is to protect them from one-sided argument. They are not at university to be propagandized. And they are certainly not there to be tricked into anti-Semitism by punishing one country among all the countries of the world, which happens to be the only Jewish state. If there had been a single Jewish state in the 1930s (which, sadly, there was not), don't you think Adolf Hitler would have decided to boycott it? Of course he would, and he would not have stopped the family: re. Your generation has a duty to ensure that the perennial racism of anti-Semitism never sets down roots among you.

Today, however, there are clear signs that it has done so and is putting down more. You have a chance to avert a very great evil, simply by using reason and a sense of fair play. Please tell me that this makes sense to me. I have given you some of the evidence. It's up to you to find out more.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. Denis MacEoin

There are about 1.4 million Arabs in Israel, and they should be thanking God for the privilege they have. ‚   Here are some of the reasons:

• In Israel they can live without fear, under rule of law (not sharia law!).
• They can get justice.
• They can find jobs and make a living.
• They can and do get plenty of free medical treatment.
• Their children can go to school, college and university.
• Adults who never had the chance can learn to read and write, including the women!
• They can buy property and build homes.
• They get social security benefits.
• They can choose NOT to go to a mosque without being hunted down by religious police.
• The women can drive cars without being dragged out and beaten.
• The women can wear sunglasses to protect their eyes (unlike in some Arab nations).
• Even the girls can enter the professions.
• The women can dress as they choose, and even allow people to see their faces! ‚   ‚   Wow, whatever next?
• The women can walk down the street without a male relative.
• Arabs can ‚   vote in truly free and un-corrupt elections.
• They can even stand for office and be elected! ‚   Some Arabs have been elected to the highest body in the land, the Knesset.
• And they can voice their true opinions. ‚   Try that in an Arab country if you disagree with the ruling elite.
• They can change their religion without being beheaded, as they are in Islamic towns and cities on Fridays.
• They can keep their hands and feet, and not have them amputated by sharia courts (unlike the young girl who ran up to us in Morocco crying and holding out the stumps of her wrists).

In fact, the only place Islamics find real ‚  freedom is outside of their own Islamic countries, which is why they flood into the West.

How prophetic these words have become. The Jewish community in Britain is alarmed by the increasing anti-Semitism in the Anglican Church, much of it based on ignorance. For instance, many people outside the Jewish community really believe that Israel, a country the size of Wales, is, as Dr Sacks said, "responsible for the evils of the world", while Jewish people know only too well that, as 0.5 per cent of the population, "they are so powerless that they can be attacked with impunity".

To many British Jews, segments of the media, including the BBC, The Guardian and The Independent, constantly misrepresent Israel. These misrepresentations then affect other organisations.

First, there was the Association of University Teachers (AUT), which called for a boycott of two Israeli universities. Now the Anglican Consultative Council, in what the journalist Melanie Phillips has called "the Church’s AUT moment", said that it "welcomes" the Anglican Peace and Justice Network’s statement on Israel (News, 1 July; 5 August).

Jewish institutions and individuals have been discussing how they are affected by media reporting. Last week, the Community Security Trust, which advises and represents the Jewish community on security and anti-Semitism, asked me to tell the Church Times that:

"It frequently appears that there are no limits to the hatred and bias that can be expressed against Israel or Zionism. Anti-Semites take comfort from this hatred, and regard it as a cue to attack Jews at random here in Britain. Anti-Semitic incidents’ levels since the year 2000 have been the worst recorded in decades. The rise in incidents is appalling. This would have been unthinkable just a few years ago."

The Board of Deputies described its concern at the fact that "In 2004, there were 532 anti-Semitic incidents in the UK, which was a 42 per cent increase on the figures for 2003, which was a substantial increase on the figures for 2002."

THE BBC apologised when the Scottish hymn-writer, the Revd Dr John Bell of the Iona Community, "made two factual mistakes" about the Israeli army on the Radio 4’s Thought for the Day in February.

This was a wake-up call for the Jewish community, even though Christian aid agencies and "peace groups" have for a long time appeared to us to be attacking Israel, and ignoring attempts to hear other points of view. Individual Jews have reported experiencing violent verbal attacks during public pro-Palestinian meetings held in church buildings.

Joanne Green, a Jewish journalist, said: "Despite the BBC charter, I can’t think of any programmes that are critical of the Palestinians, despite their kangaroo courts, public hangings, threats to journalists, incitement to racial and religious hatred, corruption, and threats to destroy Israel.

"Also, as an active member of the Council of Christians and Jews, I feel betrayed by the Anglican Church. All those receptions at St James’s Palace and earnest tributes from church leaders regretting their millennia-long persecution of the Jews don’t mean anything any more. When Jews need real recognition of the danger they are in, where is the Church? Aligning themselves with those who want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, after it was they who were responsible for the Holocaust. Forgive them, Lord, for they probably do know exactly what they do. How dare the Church lecture Jews on morality."

Many people mention the Church’s apparent silence in the face of the growing attacks on the British Jewish community. For one seasoned American journalist and Episcopalian cleric: "In Britain, there is a degree of open anti-Semitism that would be unthinkable in the USA. The C of E has been complicit in this, both by keeping silent, and by not cracking down on its members who cross the line in their advocacy of the Palestinian cause, and fall into Jew-baiting."

Canon Andrew White, CEO of the Foundation for Reconciliation in the Middle East, agrees. "Is there a new anti-Semitism?" he asks. "For Jews, disinvestment [in Israel] is not just anti-Zionism, but anti-Semitism. Christians defend their position by saying they are against Israel, not the Jews. Yet there is no call by the Christians to disinvest from countries where Christians are persecuted, or banned. Israel is viewed as the evil nation, that evil democratic nation " ” that just happens to be the only homeland for the Jewish people in the world.

"Now that there is an acute awareness of the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism, the Christian world needs to wake up to the fact that more Jews have been killed by Christians than by Muslims. It is no longer sufficient for the Church to blame Israel for its own anti-Semitism. The replacement theology that laid the ground for nearly two millennia of anti-Judaic polemic is on its way back. This time, it is dressed up as concern for the Palestinians."

Benjamin, a 32-year-old Jew, who stayed at my house last Shabbat, en route to an International Council of Christians and Jews convention, said: "Christians are encouraged to love their enemies. We are no longer the enemy, just irrelevant; no longer the enemy, just the object of hate and vilification."

For, as the Holocaust author Raoul Hillberg has said: "There is a straight line from " ˜You have no right to live among us as Jews’ to " ˜You have no right to live among us’ to " ˜You have no right to live.’"

Dr Irene Lancaster is a Research Fellow at the Centre for Jewish Studies at the University of Manchester, the author of works on Jewish history and the Bible, and an Orthodox Jew engaged in interfaith work with the Anglican Church and others.

"There is no chance. Is there any chance for fire to co-exist with the water?" said Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of the group's founding members.

Yousef added: "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yousef, son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, one of the most influential leaders of the militant group, said the organization betrays the Palestinian cause and tortures its own members.

" ¢ Video: Click here for more on FOX News' special Escape from Hamas.

Hamas, formed in the late 1980's as an outgrowth of the Palestinian branch of the radical Muslim Brotherhood, is considered a terror organization by the U.S. government. Hamas seized power in the Gaza strip in 2007 in a violent coup against the more moderate Palestinian Authority led by Mahmoud Abbas.

Yousef said he was indoctrinated at an early age to use violence to challenge Israeli control in the region. As a teenager he moved up within the organization and became the leader of the radical Islamic Youth Movement that fought Israeli tanks and troops in the streets, celebrated suicide bombings and recruited young men to the cause.

Yousef, 30, said he realized the true nature of Hamas and radical Islam during a stint in an Israeli prison. He renounced his Muslim faith, left his family behind in Ramallah and converted to Christianity.

"Islam is not the word of God," said Yousef. "If you want to be offended it's your problem. But you know something? Go study. Think for a second that I might be right. So wake up, look at your path, see where you're going. Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"

Yousef has sought asylum in the United States and now attends an evangelical Christian church in San Diego, Calif.

"The Hamas leadership, including my father, they're responsible; they're responsible for all the violence that happened from the organization. I know they describe it as reaction to Israeli aggression, but still, they are part of it and they had to make decisions in those operations against Israel (for) which there was the killing of many civilians."

Yousef talks more about his extraordinary story of faith, courage, violence and betrayal in a FOX News documentary, "Escape From Hamas," hosted by Bill Hemmer.

Three years ago the fanatical Islamic group Hamas took control over Gaza from the Palestinian Authority, has been backed by every radical Moslem regime in the world from Iran to Hezbollah and, since the Egyptians closed the border crossing from southern Gaza into Egypt, Hamas has dug a network of tunnels into Egypt and has been smuggling weapons, explosives and rockets into Gaza. Now that's another story altogether. Egypt is a sovereign nation, where in the world does Hamas get weapons from? The Egyptians are not selling them (or are they) Just where do they come from? Is there a "Guns R Us" in the Sinai?

Two weeks ago, the Israeli Government has been giving out numerous warnings not just to Hamas in Gaza but also to the European Community, the United States, and yes, the Arab world, that Israel was about to retaliate. Even a live interview was held by PM Olmert on an Arab network warning Hamas that there will be a lot of blood and destruction in Gaza if the rockets don't cease. Hamas basically said "Bring it on". So, that's what the Israelis did. I had a feeling something would happen soon when my daughter's leave was cut short by a phone call. She serves in the Air force as part of the ground crew for F16 fighter planes. What a job for a 19-year-old girl. The Israel Air Force went in swift and hard. With pinpoint accuracy, they hit many Hamas related targets trying to keep in mind and avoid civilian casualties. Unfortunately, Hamas knows that Israelis avoid civilian areas and intentionally place their weapons in densely populated areas or basements of schools, Mosques and even hospitals.

The air and ground attack is still going. Hundreds of armed Hamas terrorists have been killed and, at least 100 captured. Munitions storage areas have been destroyed, smuggling tunnels bombed but, of course, all the film footage coming out of Gaza is of woman and children casualties. The world is upside-down in demanding that Israel stop the "atrocities" and "genocide". They tend to forget that the purpose of Hamas rocket attacks into Israeli towns and cities is to intentionally kill as many innocent Jews as possible.

Bradley Burston, a writer for Haaretz newspaper in Israel has written an analogy, an analogy that's probably been going through many people's minds. This is basically, what he's written:

A fanatical religious party wins an election in a county of northern Mexico fights a civil war against the Federal government and takes control of the area.

They now demand the return of all occupied territory taken by the United States - California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and Colorado.

They fire homemade rockets and more sophisticated rockets smuggled in from Iran and China into U.S. major cities of the southwest putting 1/7th of the population of the entire United States in danger. All schools are forced to shut down and when people hear "Code Red" on the radio and town loudspeakers they have 15 seconds to find shelter. This goes on several times a day shutting down businesses, ruining the economy and basically living in fear.

This has now become reality in southern Israel. Now you tell me...what nation would put up with this?

OH NO!! CODE RED! CODE RED! ‚   You now have 15 seconds to run for shelter!

Have a nice day,
Ronnie Cohen

Williamson is a Holocaust denier, and has repeatedly said that the gas chambers did not exist and that no more than 300,000 Jews were killed during World War II, mostly of starvation. In addition, Williamson has declared that the Jews are plotting to take over the world, and that the U.S. and Israel were behind 9/11.

In an interview with Swedish television conducted last November but broadcast last week, Williamson said that he believed that there were "no gas chambers."

"Between 200,000-300,000 perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber," he said, adding, "I believe that the historical evidence is hugely against 6 million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler."

Back to Middle Ages

Williamson has had a long history of Holocaust denial. In a 1989 sermon in Sherbrooke, Canada, Williamson said that "there was not one Jew killed in the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies. The Jews created the Holocaust so we would prostrate ourselves on our knees before them and approve of their new State of Israel... Jews made up the Holocaust, Protestants get their orders from the devil, and the Vatican has sold its soul to liberalism." In dozens of sermons and letters, Richardson reiterated the same theme, adding that Hitler "liberated" Germany from the Jews.

Richardson advocates a return to the Middle Ages, with the Inquisition the preferred model of the Catholic relationship to Jews. "As Catholic faith goes up, so Jewish power goes down, while as Catholic faith goes down, so Jewish power goes up. In the Catholic Middle Ages, the Jews were relatively impotent to harm Christendom. But as Catholics have grown over the centuries weaker and weaker in the faith, especially since Vatican II, so the Jews have come closer and closer to fulfilling their substitute-Messianic drive towards world dominion... When Spanish Catholics were truly Catholic, God granted them by 1492 to reconquer Spain from the Arabs, and then granted them to create a Catholic empire in the Americas."

Jewish community officials have expressed serious concerns over the Pope's move. Rabbi Shmuel Ricardo Di Segni, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, told reporters that the rehabilitation of Williamson opens "a deep wound" in Catholic-Jewish relations.

The Anti-Defamation League, an anti-Semitism watchdog group, said that the reinstatement "could become a source of great tension between Catholics and Jews." The umbrella group of Jewish communities in France called Williamson "a contemptible liar whose sole objective is to reawaken centuries-old hatred against the Jews."

In a report, Reuters quoted Mordechai Lewy, Israel's ambassador to the Vatican, as saying that Israel "has no intention of interfering in the internal workings of the Catholic Church. However, the eagerness to bring a Holocaust denier back into the Church will cast a shadow on relations between Jews and the Catholic Church."

A Vatican spokesman said that the lifting of the ban had nothing to do with Williamson's views. "It has nothing to do with the personal opinions of a person, which are open to criticism, but are not pertinent to this decree."

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